published Monday, December 12th, 2011

Drug runners and our deadly Southern border

A federal grand jury indictment in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent paints a disturbing picture of how dangerous our nation's Southern border has become.

The indictment is related to the shooting death of agent Brian Terry last December.

It says that five illegal aliens had not only entered the United States along the Arizona-Mexico border but were armed with assault rifles and were actively hunting Border Patrol agents. The illegal aliens were literally "patrolling" the border with the aim of attacking agents, The Washington Times reported after reviewing the indictment. The area in question is known for drug smuggling.

Four agents spotted the men and identified themselves as law enforcement officers, the indictment stated. But rather than surrender or flee, the illegal aliens opened fire. Tragically, agent Terry, a 40-year-old former U.S. Marine, was shot in the back and died on the scene when a bullet pierced his aorta.

The agents captured one of the illegal aliens, but the others escaped. The captured man faces a charge of second-degree murder. Compounding the tragedy, he had been convicted of felony aggravated assault in Arizona previously and had been detained twice in 2010 as an illegal alien, The Washington Times reported. He was returned again and again to Mexico, though given his record, he should have been serving a long prison term.

The vice president of an organization that represents 17,000 Border Patrol agents called the slaying of Brian Terry "a real wake-up call."

"It emphasizes the failed state of security on the U.S. border, which poses more of a threat to us than either Iraq or Afghanistan," said Shawn Moran of the National Border Patrol Council. "We have terrorism going on right on the other side of the fence ... . My biggest fear is that someday a cartel member is going to go berserk, stick a rifle through the fence and kill as many Border Patrol agents as he can."

Leaders of Mexican drug cartels, meanwhile, have offered large bounties for Border Patrol agents and other U.S. authorities.

It is long overdue for the federal government to get serious about the threat of illegal immigration and drug smuggling along our border with Mexico.

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nucanuck said...

Without the American consumer there would be no drug running problem. The drug cartels exist to give Americans what they want. The cartels are the businessmen in this dirty violent trade.

Would it not be better to legalize drugs and deal with the addiction problems rather than to allow the cartels to further corrupt our country?

Our War on Drugs is a road to nowhere.

December 12, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
hambone said...

Foreign imports are hurting local businessmen?

December 12, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Maybe we could say that foreign imports would have keen competition from local growers/businessmen if drugs were legalized.

Homegrown weed should put thousands to work quickly. Maybe even poppies would do well.

December 12, 2011 at 10:03 a.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck-- "Without the American consumer there would be no drug running problem."

I agree that it is mostly a consumer problem. However, it is you lieberals who exacerbate the problem by not imposing a degree of punishment sufficient to curtail the desire and consumption of illegal drugs. The seller problem could be easily solved by imposing the death penalty. You soft headed lieberals would have a harder time in suckering others to have sympathy for a pusher like you do now for your consuming family member. No pusher, no problem, no consumer, no problem.

December 12, 2011 at 10:55 a.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, first let's get one thing cleared up, you are a partisan Republican, not a conservative...from what can be discerned from your loopy comments. True conservative principles are American bedrock. Unfortunately, true conservatives are all but extinct.

Because I embrace a wide range of beliefs, I doubt that I fit in any one pigeon-hole. Most of my leanings tend toward old-fashioned conservatism, and others lean toward progressive.

The truth is that labeling is no substitute for thought and analysis. You rant in post after post using labels that only indicate that you haven't thought much about the topic, but your mad as hell and fighting back. How silly.

And your above simplistic comment about the death penalty...was that an effort at humor? Your assertion that I am a drug pusher and have family members who are users...where did that come from...is that supposed to be an insult?

You are making yourself look smaller by the day.

December 12, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck--

You are the first to ever say I am not a Conservative!!! The Demoncrats, LIEberals, atheists, leftists, Libertarians, and heathens who comment here, would certainly disagree with you. I hit a nerve somewhere. Why else would you write such nonsense? Conservatives don't have "a wide range of beliefs", they have Conservative beliefs and act on those beliefs. Your hatred for Conservative beliefs is proof enough that you don't have Conservative beliefs

December 12, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, don't feel bad, lots of people confuse true conservatism with what passes today for political conservatism. The word has been co-oped into a nearly meaningless political label.

Since you are our pet label man, you use 'em any way you want. And use that cap lock more so we can sense your passion.

December 12, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck--

BTW, I didn't "assert" that you were a drug pusher. That would have been clearer if I had maybe put a comma after the word pusher. Since liberals have such tolerance for drug abuse and often advocate drug legalization as you did, I do believe they are users or have family who are users.

December 12, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man, I wouldn't know what tolerance liberals have for drug abuse, but I know and you know that law enforcement has not been able to halt the supply of drugs for decades.

After such an extended failure, does it not seem logical to try something different? With drug use legalized we would certainly have abusers as we do now with alcohol. Lives would be devastated and some number will die (your death sentence?)...drugs are for losers, with marijuana being the possible exception.

The conservative in me says get the government out of drug enforcement and turn distribution over to the private sector (with regulations). We could soon close many prisons and there would be no way to profit for the violence laden illegal distribution network. Maybe some of those guys would get an honest job for a change.

The downside, of course, is that at least initially, there may be a rise in consumption and the addiction that goes with it. Dealing with addict problems seems better than this growing wave of criminality associated with the status quo.

What are your thoughts (not your politacal take)?

December 12, 2011 at 2:52 p.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck--One can not separate politics from governance, they are the same. Conservatives want to govern according to traditional Conservative values and Lieberals obviously don't. It is the policies of Lieberals that have prevailed in our society. Look were we are. It is Lieberals who have fought and weakened drug enforcement laws. I stated my Conservative position on the matter earlier today. Legalization will only add more cost to our society, kill many, and ruin the lives of countless others. Believe me, if TRUE Conservatives were in charge we would not have a drug problem.

December 12, 2011 at 4:45 p.m.
nucanuck said...

So you're saying that liberals have undercut drug enforcement causing forty years of a failed government war on drugs???

Are you writing this from out on the toe of the moccasin?

That's a truly nutty perspective and a cop-out to claim that liberals made you true conservatives do it.

True conservatives wouldn't want a huge worldwide government program to exist in the first place, much less to continue, as you recommend. It's this type of inconsistency that causes me to say that you are a partisan Republican mis-using the word conservative to describe yourself.

You paint your own self-portrait and yet can't see it.

December 12, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
rolando said...

Literally nothing that happens along our border with Mexico [or Canada] surprises me anymore.

Nothing is going to change any time soon. Thank God I live in Tennessee now and not Los Angeles.

Maybe if we put an ATM deposit-only machine in the proposed incoming-only border kiosks we could at least get a buck or two for our treasury...God knows that's the only way we will get anything from Mexico -- or Canada, for that matter.

December 12, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.
conservative said...

CONnuck--

Are Lieberals the cause of the failure? Well yea! Lieberals wrote and promoted the use of drugs in newspapers and on college campuses. Lieberal judges and lawyers fought for lenient sentences. The Lieberal ACLU (Association of Crooked Lawyers United), argued for abolition of drug laws. Lieberal parole boards let them loose to commit more crime. Most damaging of all, Lieberals took the Bible and prayer out of schools and are the ones trying to remove both from ALL areas of our society resulting in a great reduction in moral restraint. Conservatives are at fault for their silence, fearing criticism. Persecution is expected and certain for a Christian.

Made Conservatives do what? Conservatives want what worldwide program? I recommended what? IF today's Republican party were Conservative I would be partisan. They are BOTH Lieberal. America gets Lieberal ruin with both, just fast track when Demoncrats rule.

I wear shoes, not moccasins.

December 12, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.
nucanuck said...

con-man,

The war on drugs is a huge military,civilian government program that operates all over the world. You seem to be for that. How do you square that with conservatism? I don't get it. To me that is big government gone wild.

But thank you for that last post. In an oblique sort of way, I may now have a bit of an understanding of your positional base, convoluted though it may be.

December 12, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

I GET SO BURNT OUT WHEN I SEE 2 PEOPLE OR MORE ARGUING ABOUT MARIJUANA,,,,YOU ARE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT,,,,,,TALK IS DONE AND NOTHING MORE AND THE SOLUTION TO THE MARIJUANA ISSUE IS NOT COMPLEX..DON'T MAKE IT HARDER THAN WHAT IT IS,,,,,,IT GETS LEGALIZED OR DOESN'T,,,,,PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WILL STILL SMOKE IT....REVENUE CAN BE PUT IN THE TREASURY'S IN EVERY CAPITAL CITY IN THE US OR IT CAN TAKE MORE MONEY TO FIGHT IT AND TAKE NOTHING IN,,,,,JUST SHOWS HOW IGNORANT OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE WHEN IT COULD BE THE PEOPLE'S MONEY...RIGHT NOW WE ARE PAYING FOR WHAT MAINSTREAM AMERICA DOESN'T WANT,,,,,,,WILL IT CHANGE?? YES,,,WHEN PEOPLE FORCE THE GOVERNMENTS HAND LIKE OCCUPY,,,,,ONLY BIGGER AND ORGANIZED.

January 20, 2012 at 9:21 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

EVERYONE MADE GOOD POINTS ON BOTH SIDES,, BUT 1 THING IS SURE LEGALIZING DRUGS,,,,,,AT LEAST MARIJUANA,,,WILL NEVER EXCEED COST OF ENFORCEMENT,,,,THE DRUG WAR ENACTED IN 1970,,,,AND IT IS A LOST CAUSE TODAY AS MUCH AS IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY..MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED,,,,,BESIDES WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANTS TO SEE WHAT A SHRIMP DOES ON A TREAD MILL,,,,,WHO IS DOING THE DRUGS,,,LOL

February 6, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
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