published Tuesday, April 17th, 2012

The Exception

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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onetinsoldier said...

Rattle them pots and pans ladies, and you better look good doing it too.

April 17, 2012 at 12:12 a.m.
Anklejive said...

LIKE!

April 17, 2012 at 1:06 a.m.
moonpie said...

I can't wait to here the counter to this....

April 17, 2012 at 1:13 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Be real you Democraps, black Americans are chattel to the Democratic Party establishment. Creeps. By the way, Romney leads OBOOB in the latest Gallup Poll. No matter what you do, Clay boy, it's still about OBOOB 24/7, 24/7, 24/7, 24/7. OBOOB, the "magic negro", NOT!

April 17, 2012 at 1:36 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Clay123: Not even remotely witty or intelligent. You need to study for a Real Estate license, man.

April 17, 2012 at 1:54 a.m.
hambone said...

Real Estate license?

He has to study for a FISHING LICENSE!

April 17, 2012 at 4:08 a.m.
joneses said...

Another example of the liberal/dummycrats attack on women. Bennett is attacking stay at home moms and now moms that live in poverty. Pathetic and tasteless.

April 17, 2012 at 5:22 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Mr. Bennett's attack is on inconsistency or, dare I say it, hypocrisy.

April 17, 2012 at 5:47 a.m.
joneses said...

WOMEN ARE BEING LEFT BEHIND IN THE OBAMA ECONOMY The Unemployment Rate For Women Has Increased Since Obama Took Office, The Unemployment Rate For Women Has Increased From 7.0 Percent To 8.1 Percent. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/9/12) Since The Stimulus Was Passed, The Unemployment Rate For Women Has Increased From 7.3 Percent To 8.1 Percent. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/9/12) Since Obama Took Office, The Number Of Female Employees Has Declined By 683,000. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/6/12) Since Obama Took Office, The Number Of Women Unemployed Has Increased From 5,005,000 To 5,863,000. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/6/12) In March, The Number Of Women Employed Fell By 82,000. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/6/12)

April 17, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
joneses said...

The Democrats want to drop the “war on women” line because it’s starting to backfire on them, with the news that the Obastard White House pays women less than men. So now that it’s not working any more, of course they want to drop it.

Second, anyone who thinks that stay at home moms don’t deal with economic issues is a person who’s never filled their own gas tank, never done their own grocery shopping, and never purchased her own kids’ school clothes.

Third, the lie about Romney not seeing women as equals… Obastard pays women employees in his own White House less than men! Talk about not seeing women as equals. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

April 17, 2012 at 6:22 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses said..."the lie about Romney not seeing women as equals"....The main unequal Romney has flip-flopped is his unequal opinion of women from different wealth homes. He refers that poorer single moms should be forced to get out of the house (and I assume take the kids) to perform some form of work to justify their assistance. However, the wealthier women like his wife should be put on a pedestal as a "stay at home mom", and in this case be in charge of all the maids, cooks, etc.

April 17, 2012 at 6:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

Working women pay taxes. Democrats want stay at home moms to work and pay their fair share. Some women don't have children and don't work, should they be taxed or not allowed to file jointly? I hope some members of congress don't think about it or they will be proposing changing the tax law to capture the added revenue so they can spend more. The greed is those that want anyone more successful than they are to pay more by calling it the successful "fair share" so they can insist on more government entitlement/welfare for them. Both parties are greedy with neither willing to abolish tax deductions, incentives and other tax reduction favor showing. Raising the published rates would enable them to do more favor showing vote buying with taxable exceptions.

April 17, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.
dude_abides said...

You rednecks are like the exclamation point at the end of the cartoonist's sentence. You make his case.

April 17, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
aidehua said...

The artist is both a bigot and a flack. TFP should be ashamed to employ such a cretin which is one reason I'm not a subscriber.

April 17, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

hambone said... "He has to study for a FISHING LICENSE!"

I'm assuming Clay has passed with flying colors. The sharks and piranhas go on an attack frenzy for almost every cartoon he draws. Dang good bait.

April 17, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The Wart sure has a knack for obsessing over demokrat distractions.

April 17, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
riverman said...

Yeah ole Cartoonboy loves the brood mare parasites in the projects.

April 17, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
Reardon said...

Yep.

The difference is one's family earns the right for the Mom to stay at home.

The other (largely, although not entirely) is a parasitic force that expects others they don't even know to take care of them.

Maybe if they'd send me a Thank You card every once in a while from the 'hood, I'd feel a little better.

Yawn, Clay. You got more talent than this up your sleeve... don't you?

April 17, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

The Cartoon pretty much speaks for itself. And, the folks who channel Clear Channel have already proved him correct.

riverman said..."Yeah ole Cartoonboy loves the brood mare parasites in the projects."

Reardon said...The other (largely, although not entirely) is a parasitic force.

Q.E.D.

April 17, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
BobMKE said...
April 17, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Good comic. The closer election day gets the more these GOPers act like idiots.

April 17, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
BobMKE said...
April 17, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
riverman said...

You are correct MT, the Dems just love those welfare brood mares that produce all those future Democrat voters, at least the ones who don't end up in jail.

April 17, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Riverman - let me guess. You are a family values voter.

April 17, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
Reardon said...

MTJohn -- My cracker white-a** works the projects and black neighborhoods on a daily basis -- Westside, East Chattanooga, Avondale, Harriet Tubman projects.

Trust me, there are wonderful people who have worked hard their entire life there. No doubt about it.

But it doesn't take long anecdotally to realize a large portion of the population -- more in the projects -- are not productive, job holding citizens.

Have you ever worked or walked these areas before? Have you actually talked to people that live in and around the area on a daily basis, as opposed to espousing some liberal platitude about us being Ditto-Heads?

The original point being stay-at-home moms is/should be an earned status, by sacrifice, not by intrinsic right. One shouldn't deprive the property and rights of another to achieve a certain end, assuming you believe in freedom.

And yes, Mom still is single and has worked hard as a nurse for 2 decades. I grew up without the luxury of a father and a stay-at-home mother. But you didn't see me or Mom demanding the authorities to subsidize her financially by depriving another, either.

April 17, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
BobMKE said...
April 17, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

yes, BobMKE. Let's throw more trillion$ at it so the lefties can feel better about themselves...and continue to buy votes at the expense of the downtrodden.

April 17, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Reardon said..."But it doesn't take long anecdotally to realize a large portion of the population -- more in the projects -- are not productive, job holding citizens."

Reardon - that fact is not in dispute.

The critical questions are: 1) What were the social/economic factors that caused the problem? 2) What are we, as a country, going to do to solve it? Folks like Mitt Romney don't even know how to ask those questions, much less develop workable solutions.

However, folks like Mitt Romney, do know how to pander to folks like you who seem to think that all of blame and, thus, all of the responsibility rests with the folks who live in the projects. Folks like you beat the drum for the Constitution; beat the drum for the notion that the Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcomes; and, beat the drum for the notion that our Constitutional rights come from the Creator, not the government.

However, folks like you also tend to be oblivious to the fact that the folks who live in the projects bear the image of our Creator just as do you and I. Folks like you tend to be oblivious to the reality that the folks who live in the projects have never had the equal opportunity guaranteed by the Constitution because they are descendents of generations of folks who never had the opportunities guaranteed by the Constitution. Moreover, folks like you tend to be oblivious to the reality that folks in the projects are not productive members of our economy because the folks who are productive members of our economy have no desire to make room for them.

April 17, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Good grief!. Am I understanding Mitt Romney’s beliefs about childcare correctly?

Childcare qualifies as work if you’re employed and being paid a wage or a salary.

Childcare qualifies as work if your name is Ann Romney and your husband receives a special income tax rate from the U.S. government on his investments and capital gains income.

Childcare does not qualify as work if you receive assistance from the U.S. government.

April 17, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
riverman said...

MT, no actually I am not. I am a pro-choice Deist.

April 17, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
riverman said...

mountain laurel, it is pretty obvious you don't understand the difference between producers who actually work and pay taxes(not as much as you would like I am sure) and parasites who live off of welfare, food stamps and public housing.

April 17, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

riverman: she doesn't understand. But they're more takers than givers, unfortunately. But I'm sure they feel good about themselves. As we inch ever closer to Europe.....

April 17, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
Landgrabbr said...

Let me see... Just ran a search on area code 37377, Signal Mountain, appears to be alot government recepients of SS and Welfare there. Last time I drove my Mercedes up to see my children, not many negroes up in them there woods....

April 17, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Joneses said: "The Unemployment Rate For Women Has Increased Since Obama Took Office."

Aren't you leaving out a critical part of the story? Since women make up a high proportion of the educational and public service workforce sector, I’d say the Republicans have been major contributors to the current economic struggles of many women. In fact, I’d say "cuts" and "layoffs" in these sectors is a key strategy in the Republican Party’s War Against Women.

April 17, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
jjmez said...

Ain't it the truth, Landgrabbr! The people screaming loudest for smaller government and who's actually suckling the federal government tits the most, even the wealthiest, are the ones most dependent upon those goverment handouts as they like to call'em.

Then the idiot rightIST claiming the cartoon attacks women are too ignorant to see the cartoon speaks to their own hypocristy and double standards.

April 17, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

landbrabbr: re signal mtn.......what's your point?

April 17, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.

yaaawn. Same old lies, different election.

April 17, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

How do we know Clay loves Democrats? He tries to push the party line, even in stormy weather.

How do we know he loves single moms in the projects? He favors picking our pockets to give them our money. (Unstated, and he wouldn't put it that way, but deny it?)

How do we know he loves the fathers of the children of single moms in the projects? He wants to pay off their girlfriends so they don't have to marry them to get sex. (Unstated...but deny it?)

Come on, ladies (and men), you're more than a crotch--if you're worth sex you're worth marrying, you're worth exchanging love in a thorough, well-thought-out, long-lasting way, not just scratching an itch.

(Andrew, how do we know you love single moms? I married one, to do dishes and diapers and garbage with, among other aspects of love.)

April 17, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Riverman said: "it is pretty obvious you don't understand the difference between producers who actually work and pay taxes(not as much as you would like I am sure) and parasites who live off of welfare, food stamps and public housing."

I'd say it's obvious you don't have a lot of expertise in the area of parasite identification, Riverman. Indeed, if you had more knowledge in this area, you would recognize the true louse:

“Starting in 1933, government policy aimed to improve the lot of the vast majority through such policies as massive government-financed jobs and construction programs.

But since 1980 policy has focused on helping the already rich get richer still with such policies as lower taxes and fewer audits. . .

. . . The average income of the vast majority of taxpayers in 2010 was just a smidgen more than the $29,448 average way back in 1966.

At the top, the super-rich saw their 2010 average income grow by $4.2 million over 2009 to $23.8 million. Compared to 1966 their income was up on average by $18.7 million per taxpayer.”

http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2012/03/15/the-richest-get-richer/

April 17, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Power to the people, workers unite. Right on and solid.

April 17, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “she doesn't understand. But they're more takers than givers, unfortunately. But I'm sure they feel good about themselves. As we inch ever closer to Europe.....”

No, I don’t think Europe cares much for banana republics, which seems to be the type of government that Republicans like you and Mitt Romney are seeking:

“According to the Central Intelligence Agency . . . income distribution in the United States is more unequal than in Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, and roughly on par with Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador. Income inequality is actually declining in Latin America even as it continues to increase in the United States.

Economically speaking, the richest nation on earth is starting to resemble a banana republic. The main difference is that the United States is big enough to maintain geographic distance between the villa-dweller and the beggar. As Ralston Thorpe tells his St. Paul's classmate, the investment banker Sherman McCoy, in Tom Wolfe's 1987 novel The Bonfire of the Vanities: "You've got to insulate, insulate, insulate."

But income inequality is a topic of huge importance to American society and therefore a subject of large and growing interest to a host of economists, political scientists, and other wonky types. Except for a few Libertarian outliers. . . these experts agree that the country's growing income inequality is deeply worrying.

Even Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte, has registered concern. "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing," Greenspan said in 2005. “

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_great_divergence/features/2010/the_united_states_of_inequality/introducing_the_great_divergence.html

April 17, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.

When can we get back to discussing the continued bad job numbers, the rising gas prices, the rising use of food stamps, the rising growth of a nuclear Iran and N. Korea?

Hmm, Claydoh!

April 17, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Sorry. I have no idea why this is coming out in large print. I tried everything to correct it on previous posts.

The young women who live in the inner cities have a choice.

1 Choice: Embrace their education opportunities. Go against the incredible pull of the inner city’s sub-culture pull of; broken families, drugs, the gang mentality, party hardy with the hip hop music pull, pre-marital sex, and the victimhood mentality.

1 Choice Benefits: African American woman have advanced in enrollment in college above the males. Have achieved and advanced to more professional jobs because of their advanced education. Have bucked the incredible odds of achieving their goals. (Just look around and see the numerous African American women in professional jobs)

2 Choice: Have horrible home living conditions and accepts the sub-culture pull of; drugs, the gang mentality, party hardy with the hip hop music pull, pre-marital sex, and the victimhood mentality. Disregards the programs in place for her, the role models available to her in her family, school, churches, and social organizations who tried to give her good advice. Doesn’t have a clue that actions have consequences. Learns the hard way that the sub-culture has affected her life.

2 Choice Benefits: The government will take care of her and her children from cradle to grave. This wonderful government program has been going on since the mid 60’s and has created generation after generation of dependant broken families at the tune of 11 Trillion dollars and counting, with no end in sight on this safety net.

April 17, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
MTJohn said...

bookieturnersghost said..."When can we get back to discussing the continued bad job numbers, the rising gas prices, the rising use of food stamps, the rising growth of a nuclear Iran and N. Korea?"

Actually, Bookie, shining a little light on the fact that the wealthy and powerful have screwed this country - all the while beating on the Constitution, pounding on the Bible and with the audacity to blame the weak and the poor - ought to do a lot to increase job numbers and reduce the number of people on public assistance. And, it would provide a healthier context for understanding international diplomacy and the international markets.

April 17, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BobMke - realistically, what educational opportunities are available for the inner city African-American woman to embrace? If we really expect people to pull themselves up by their boot straps, the rest of us have a duty to ensure that they have boots and boot straps.

Indeed, actions have consequences. And, in truth, our inner cities are the consequences of the actions of people who will never have to live their and the willingness of the rest of us to turn blind eyes.

April 17, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Nooga said: "Great cartoon Clay, I was for it, before I was against being for it, before I was against it, Really. Oh well you know what I mean."

Mitt Romney and his fellow Republicans seem to have endless double standards when it comes to women. Mitt Romney says that he wants poor women to leave their homes and children in order to experience the so called “dignity of work.”

But, of course, the Republicans do not believe that women who leave their homes and children in order to experience the “dignity of work” should be paid the same pay for doing the same job as men who leave their homes and children to experience the “dignity of work.”

“A Wisconsin law that made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court was repealed on Thursday, after Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed the bill.

The 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act was meant to deter employers from discriminating against certain groups by giving workers more avenues via which to press charges. Among other provisions, it allows individuals to plead their cases in the less costly, more accessible state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court.

In November, the state Senate approved SB 202, which rolled back this provision. On February, the Assembly did the same. Both were party-line votes in Republican-controlled chambers.

SB 202 was sent to Walker on March 29. He had, according to the state constitution, six days to act on the bill. The deadline was 5:00 p.m. on Thursday. The governor quietly signed the bill into law on Thursday, according to the Legislative Reference Bureau, and it is now called Act 219.

Walker's office did not return repeated requests for comment.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/scott-walker-wisconsin-equal-pay-law_n_1407329.html

April 17, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
chatt_man said...

MT John - we don't blame the weak and the poor. We blame the majority of the democratic party for continually wanting to increase handouts that are responsible for creating generations of welfare recipients, rather than showing and helping them become productive members of society. The ones the democrats have taught to feel entitled, that could help themselves, are the ones that are taking from the truly disadvantaged ones that need the help.

Obama and the democratic party as a whole seem to be happy creating more and more of this mentality while they wage war on the job producers and earners in this country with their "earning is evil" campaign.

April 17, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.

nooga said...

bookieturnersghost said...

When can we get back to discussing the continued bad job numbers, the rising gas prices, the rising use of food stamps, the rising growth of a nuclear Iran and N. Korea?

Right after our President, Barack Hussien Obama crushes lil mittens in the election, that's when.

So I guess you are saying the fact that Obama has shown little or no concern about addressing these problems since taking office is fine. I am sure you were screaming about it before he took office though.

April 17, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

chatt_man said..."MT John - we don't blame the weak and the poor. We blame the majority of the democratic party for continually wanting to increase handouts that are responsible for creating generations of welfare recipients, rather than showing and helping them become productive members of society."

Pardon me, but terms like "welfare queens", "brood mare parasites" etc. sound a lot like blaming the weak and poor to me.

But, if you insist, Chatt-man, please explain - specifically - the programs that you and other conservatives have proposed to help welfare recipients become productive members of society.

April 17, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Of course, there is a “motherhood penalty” for some stay-at-home moms:

“Many stay-at-home and part-time working mothers will eventually decide to return to the full-time workforce, and when they do they may encounter a “motherhood penalty” that extends beyond the actual time out of the workforce.

Experimental research has documented that employers are less likely to hire mothers compared with childless women, and when employers do make an offer to a mother, they offer them lower salaries than they do other women. Fathers, in contrast, do not suffer a penalty compared with other men."

http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/simpletruthaboutpaygap1.pdf

April 17, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Re: MTJohn-

Why do these mothers need extra programs, what specifically was denied by the government in their formative years? Choices have consequences.

April 17, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
MTJohn said...

LaughingBoy said..."Why do these mothers need extra programs, what specifically was denied by the government in their formative years? Choices have consequences."

LB - first of all please let me point out that you question confirms what I posted earlier, i.e. you are blaming the poor and the weak. Your question also seems to imply an answer to my above question that the R's have not proposed any solutions because these mothers do not deserve any assistance.

That said, I also posted above a reference to the fact that Constitution assures citizens equal opportunity - a point that is often emphasized by those in the tea party movement. We are talking about a class of people who, for multiple generations, have been denied that equal opportunity. We are talking about a class of people who have been marginalized as a consequence of choices made by the wealthy and powerful and as a consequence of folks, like yourself, who have rationalized remaining, at best, oblivious, to the plight of those less fortunate than yourself.

April 17, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
chatt_man said...

MTJohn - letting them know that it's normal to do what is expected of you, and that it can help the way you feel about yourself, to provide for yourself and your family as your elders and ancestors have, would be better than soliciting dependants like the current government assistance programs are. A lot of them are needed, don't get me wrong, but when we run ads with our tax dollars encouraging more people to sign up for food stamps, as we've done recently, that's excessive.

Recently my father-in-law and I spoke to a social worker about the amount of his supplemental insurance premium. Before she left he had been offered a free cell phone, meals brought by his house daily, his insurance premium paid for by medicare, a person to clean his house weekly and various other things. All we were doing was questioning whether or not there was a lesser premium available for him.

April 17, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
chatt_man said...

MTJohn - How exactly has the wealthy and powerful marginalized these people that could be working, but choose not to, by the consequence of their choices?

April 17, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
hambone said...

Clay, I apologize. I was thinking of the other "123".

April 17, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
MTJohn said...

chatt_man said..."How exactly has the wealthy and powerful marginalized these people that could be working, but choose not to, by the consequence of their choices?"

Three centuries of slavery and active discrimination thereafter.

chatt_man said..."letting them know that it's normal to do what is expected of you, and that it can help the way you feel about yourself, to provide for yourself and your family as your elders and ancestors have, would be better than soliciting dependants like the current government assistance programs are."

I have no problem with holding people accountable for their own welfare. But, for accountability to work, there first must be the realistic expectation that accountable behavior leads to success. That level of hope and expectation does not exist in our inner cities because education is the essential first step to realization of the American dream. Public education in our inner cities is in shamble and the inner city does not provide an environment that is conducive to learning.

Do I agree that our social programs do not work very well? Absolutely! But, I also think that an intentional effort to enfranchise the marginalized in our society is a necessary and appropriate function. As a nation, there ought to be bi-partisan support for social programs and a bi-partisan commitment to making them work. I don't hear anything like that coming from the conservative side of this conversation.

April 17, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
chatt_man said...

MT, I actually agree with the most that you wrote, and there does need to be bi-partisan support for some social programs and a bi-partisan commitment to making them work. However, the republicans are about as convinced that the programs are well administered as the blacks are convinced that slavery and discrimination have long been corrected.

I thought, though, we were discussing poor and weak people, they come in all colors.

April 17, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
BobMKE said...

MtJohn Definition of FORTUNATE 1: bringing some good thing not foreseen as certain
2: receiving some unexpected good

This word is liberal speak, which you have fell for. Using the above definition, and our topic line on this post, if any person works hard in school, at their employment, and trying to raise a family in the right way, this would not be Fortunate because none of this was unexpected. They expected it as the right thing to do.

Now if a person lives their life in a sub-culture, doesn’t attend school, does drugs/alcohol, has numerous sexual partners, children by numerous fathers, involved in gang violence, then how can this person be Unfortunate? Living this way is expected, so they are not unfortunate.

Nooga, Sorry but it was Tina Frey doing Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live who said that.

April 17, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The great messiah was supposed to fix all of the Bush mistakes! Instead he uses them as an excuse for his own failures. By the way, Obama said that if he didn't fix the economy and reduce the sea level in his first term, he didn't deserve a second one. Let's hold the man to his word! The libs get their news from SNL and Bill Maher. I wonder if Chris Mathews still has that tingle running down his leg.

April 17, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
MTJohn said...

chatt_man said..."However, the republicans are about as convinced that the programs are well administered as the blacks are convinced that slavery and discrimination have long been corrected."

I know R's feel that way. Thus, I asked the question what they have proposed to make social programs work. Your response tends to confirm my suspicions - not much.

And, I agree. Poor and weak people come in multiple colors - although certain colors, especially descendents of slaves and descendents of indigenous peoples are disproportionately represented. I'd also suggest that, although it may have been expressed in different ways, disenfranchised peoples, irrespective of color, got that way with the assistance of other who benefited at their expense.

BobMKE said..."MtJohn Definition of FORTUNATE 1: bringing some good thing not foreseen as certain 2: receiving some unexpected good"

Hardly, BobMKE. But, I guess it is easier for you to respond to your own intentional misunderstandings than it is to make the effort to understand perspectives with which you do not agree.

I do not disagree that we have serious problems with the sub-culture in our inner cities. However, it is intentionally selfish and narrow minded to suggest that the problems of our inner cities are entirely the consequence of the behaviors of the people who live there. We all share some fault. We all ought to share the shame. And, we all ought to be working together - irrespective of political stripe, religious affiliation or ethnicity - to be solving those problems. Until we do, we have no legitimate claim to being a great nation!

April 17, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
chatt_man said...

OK, MT, I just don't subscribe to the they "got that way with the assistance of other who benefited at their expense".

A lot of people have bent over backwards, and paid more money than ever before, to help that group of people without seeing many of them doing much for themselves.

April 17, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

MTJohn-who among "the rich" forces the poor especially blacks since they're mostly the topic here, to drink to excess, drop of high school or college, take drugs/sell drugs, break the law, allow their kids out past midnight on school nights, have children at a young age (ummarried), etc, all the usual factors leading to poor results?

You mention the inner school system in shambles. That's doesn't account for all the success stories coming out of such schools. If they can achieve so can others who choose to waste their educations.

How many current blacks were slaves?

How specifically am I to blame, since you said everyone is to blame?

April 17, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.

Nooga, so I guess that is a yes. You are perfectly fine that all Obama has done is run up the debt by basically borrowing money from China to pay for the few things he has done. I have admitted numerous times that Obama inherited a mess but he " HAS MADE THEM WORSE" and yet not one loyal democrat can or will say it. That in itself is sickening. But for you to say that he can worry about the economy after this election is asinine.

April 17, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
una61 said...

In the projects the moms go to work and the grandparents stay-at-home and care for the children.

April 17, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Great, that beats having to pay for child care. And, most of the kids I knew, or know, that were raised by their grandparents had better manners and principles.

April 17, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Wealthy women verses poor women, black verses white, rich verses poor, young verses old, women verses men, gays verses heteros, athiests verses faithful, hispanics verses everyone, christians verses muslims, taxpayers verses revenue consumers, citizens verses illegals. If the demokrats did not have groups to divide they could not get a single person elected to office of any kind.

April 17, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
moonpie said...

BigRidgePatriot:

Democrats dividing?

Recognizing differences and inequality is not dividing. It's called paying attention.

Let's see.... the Democrats support equal pay for equal work between men and women. This is something many free market capitalists have not supported. So who is trying to keep two groups apart? Not the Democrats.

Gays vs heteros? Gays aren't trying to take anything from heteros. They simply want equal protection under the law. Who's trying to keep these rights for one group and deny them to another? Not the Democrats.

Athiests vs faithful. I think there has been mutual disrespect on both sides. I think the faithful have the upper hand here. Have we ever had an openly athiest as president? Being a Republican does not make someone a Christian. As a matter of fact, Jesus certainly didn't preach self-reliance.... he taught submission, dependence and humility, giving up possessions, not clinging to the trappings of this world, charity to the poor, giving to Ceasar what is his.... Those traits seem very un-Republican/Tea Party.

We could pick each of your examples apart. But what's the point?

I don't think it's Democrats who are trying to keep these groups separate. It seems like there is a general search for a level playing field and equality.

Everyone categorizes. I'm guilty. You're guilty. You hold up a picture of the Democrats and don't seem to realize it's a mirror.

April 17, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I still want an example of just one liberal policy that has ever worked or had it's true intent realized!

April 17, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

moonpie, said Let's see.... the Democrats support equal pay for equal work between men and women. This is something many free market capitalists have not supported. So who is trying to keep two groups apart? Not the Democrats.

Not the Democracts! The Liar in Chief Obama said in 2010 said paycheck discrimination hurts families. In 2011 he was paying male White House staff members 18% more then women employees.

According to this 2011 report female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/annual-records/2011

Here is what Obama said in 2010: In America today, women make up half of the workforce, and two-thirds of American families with children rely on a woman’s wages as a significant portion of their families’ income."

Yet, even in 2010, women make only 77 cents for every dollar that men earn. The gap is even more significant for working women of color, and it affects women across all education levels.

Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income. And with so many families depending on women's wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole. In difficult economic times like these, we simply cannot afford this discriminatory burden.

My Administration has already begun to address this problem. In my first week in office, I signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which helps women who face wage discrimination recover their lost wages, and in my State of the Union Address, I promised to crack down on violations of equal pay laws.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/statement-president-equal-pay

Obama's former Communications Director Anita Dunn said of the White House: “This place would be in court for a hostile workplace...Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

You Democracts really do care about women.

April 17, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moonpie said... "the Democrats support equal pay for equal work between men and women"

From Time Magazine…

Some say 77% is overly grim. One reason: it doesn't account for individual differences between workers. Once you control for factors like education and experience, notes Francine Blau — who, along with fellow Cornell economist Lawrence Kahn, published a study on the 1998 wage gap — women's earnings rise to 81% of men's. Factor in occupation, industry and whether they belong to a union, and they jump to 91%. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html#ixzz1sLNzNSdG

Factor in the notion that women are absent from work more frequently than men and their earnings rise to 98% of that of men. http://www.benefits.org/interface/cost/absent.htm

Add in the fact that women are emotionally unstable for one week of every month and that they are functionally disabled in the area of rational thought and we find that the fully adjusted compensation of women is 152% that of men.

Considering all the trouble women cause in the workplace it is a wonder that they get paid at all.

:)

April 17, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I think we need a federal law that requires a sheep herder to employ a number of poodles that is proportional to the population. Those damn border collies are dominating the industry and use their status in the "good ole boys" club to muscle out the poor poodles.

April 17, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
jjmez said...

BobMKE said...1 Choice: Embrace their education opportunities. Go against the incredible pull of the inner city’s sub-culture pull of; broken families, drugs, the gang mentality, party hardy with the hip hop music pull, pre-marital sex, and the victimhood mentality. 1 Choice Benefits: African American woman have advanced in enrollment in college above the males. Have achieved and advanced to more professional jobs because of their advanced education. Have bucked the incredible odds of achieving their goals. (Just look around and see the numerous African American women in professional jobs) 2 Choice: Have horrible home living conditions and accepts the sub-culture pull of; drugs, the gang mentality, party hardy with the hip hop music pull, pre-marital sex, and the victimhood mentality. Disregards the programs in place for her, the role models available to her in her family, school, churches, and social organizations who tried to give her good advice. Doesn’t have a clue that actions have consequences. Learns the hard way that the sub-culture has affected her life. 2 Choice Benefits: The government will take care of her and her children from cradle to grave. This wonderful government program has been going on since the mid 60’s and has created generation after generation of dependant broken families at the tune of 11 Trillion dollars and counting, with no end in sight on this safety net.

bobby, that sub-culture you mention exist at every level of society. From the promiscuity, drugs and everything else. All those drug treatment centers like the Betty Ford weren't created for poor people. Nor were all those private abortion doctors that performed abortions on the well to do and wealthy long before abortions were made legal. The poor are just held to a higher standard when they screw up. The poor are actually pretty tamed when the spotlight shines evenly on the poor, middle-class and wealthy.

April 17, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.
moonpie said...

BRP..........

Keep selling it.

Romney wiould not appreciate it.

April 17, 2012 at 9:15 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rick1 said: "Yet, even in 2010, women make only 77 cents for every dollar that men earn. The gap is even more significant for working women of color, and it affects women across all education levels."

The wage gap between men and women's varies by state:

"New data analysis from the American Association of University Women (AAUW) shows that the gulf between men and women’s wages differs greatly depending on the state where you live. The research, based on U.S. Census data, was released in time for Equal Pay Day, April 17th, which symbolically marks the number of extra days women would have to work into 2012 in order to earn, on average, as much as their male counterparts did in 2011.

The AAUW numbers show that Washington, D.C. has the narrowest wage gap nationally -- women earn 91 percent of what men do on average ($56,127 vs. $61,381). Wyoming came in last, with women earning just 64 percent of what their male counterparts do. On average women there earn $32,426, while men earn $50,854.”

GEORGIA - Was rated 15th with women earning 80 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $43, 344, while women earn $34,709.

TENNESSEE – Was rated 31st with women earning 77 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $41,415, while women earn $31,854.

ALABAMA – Was rated 40th with women earning 75 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $41, 895, while women earn $31,321.

http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/simpletruthaboutpaygap1.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/equal-pay-day-gender-wage-gap-rankings_n_1430160.html

April 17, 2012 at 10:38 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, you might be surprised to learn that Poodles are descended from herding dogs, and trained ones can do as well as a border collie in that role. With the benefit of a better coat for swimming. The poodle was originally bred into a hunter, not a show-dog.

Not that you're going to find much of either doing work these days.

But don't knock the Poodle just because you've been convinced that they're just a pretty fro-fro dog. Try to be a little slower to judge, and a little more open-minded.

You were trying to make some argument, but you ended up proving the other side right.

Just like Romney does. You know what he said today? He wouldn't have put his dog on the car roof if he'd know the attention that would be paid to it.

I guess he'd have made his wife do some work outside the home if he'd thought this would come up. The man just lacks foresight, doesn't he?

April 18, 2012 at 12:58 a.m.
Lr103 said...

mountainlaurel said... Wyoming came in last, with women earning just 64 percent of what their male counterparts do. On average women there earn $32,426, while men earn $50,854.”

GEORGIA - Was rated 15th with women earning 80 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $43, 344, while women earn $34,709.

TENNESSEE – Was rated 31st with women earning 77 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $41,415, while women earn $31,854.

ALABAMA – Was rated 40th with women earning 75 percent of what men do on the average. Annually, on average men earn $41, 895, while women earn $31,321.

All backwoods and RED. hmmmmmm INTERESTING

April 18, 2012 at 2:20 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Moonpie & Happybulbs,

You people crack me up! Is it that time?

April 18, 2012 at 6:13 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

TOES02800 asks, "I still want an example of just one liberal policy that has ever worked or had it's true intent realized!"

How about Social Security.

April 18, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.
MTJohn said...

chatt_man said..."OK, MT, I just don't subscribe to the they "got that way with the assistance of other who benefited at their expense".

A lot of people have bent over backwards, and paid more money than ever before, to help that group of people without seeing many of them doing much for themselves."

Chatt_man - perhaps a little more honest reflection is required. Discrimination - not just racial, but also social/economic - runs deep in our society and it takes many and varied forms. Regardless of the form, discrimination translates into situations in which the wealthy/powerful exploit and the poor/weak suffer. Regardless of what other factors also might be in play, our inner cities are the consequence of that dynamic.

Until we get honest with ourselves about the root cause of the problem that is our inner cities, we cannot solve it. And, if we do not solve it, our social order is not sustainable. Crude references to "crack whores", "welfare queens" and "brood mare parasites" is not going to get the important work done.

April 18, 2012 at 7:22 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "I think we need a federal law that requires a sheep herder to employ a number of poodles that is proportional to the population. Those damn border collies are dominating the industry and use their status in the "good ole boys" club to muscle out the poor poodles."

No, BRP, I believe a better law would be for Mitt Romney and the Republican "good old boys" to put our money where their big mouths are. Yes, I think they should create a "stay-at-home mom law" officially declaring “parenting” as “work.”

Just think of the benefits, BRP. It would be a win-win situation for the Republicans. The Bureau of Labor Statistics could count parenting as “work,” and Mitt Romney and his Republican "good old boys" would get credit for finally doing something about jobs.

April 18, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
moonpie said...

BRP,

I don't think your bigotry is representative of all Republicans. I'm sure many conservatives cringe when they read some of the stuff you write because arguments like yours undermine and distract from any actual point they would try to make.

Answer this honestly: If President Obama said that the pay gap was in part due to a woman's menstrual cycle, what would you say about him?

April 18, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

NICE TO SEE THE RIGHT-WING NUTS COMING OUT OF THEIR CAVES......FUNNY HOW THEY COMPLIAN ABOUT ME BEING TOO CRITICAL AND NAME CALLING HA HA HA HA HA.....I STAY AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND COME BACK IN THE FORUM AND WHAT DO I FIND????????..THESE COWARDS NAME CALLING ATTACKING..HA HA HA HA HA(I THOUGHT ONLY I NAME CALLED)HA HA HA HA...THEY ARE ATTACKING THE POOR AND WEAK OF OUR SOCIETY....AND OF COURSE THE BLACKS..THE SAME POSTERS WOULD NOT DARE SAY THAT TO MY FACE....INSTEAD THEY WOULD COWARD DOWN TO ME....PANDERING AND KISSING BUTTS..GUESS THEY RATHER HIDE AND SPEW THEIR VILE INSECURITIES IN THIS FORUM..GUESS THAT MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE A REAL MAN ....HA HA HA HA!

April 18, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn said: “Discrimination - not just racial, but also social/economic - runs deep in our society and it takes many and varied forms. Regardless of the form, discrimination translates into situations in which the wealthy/powerful exploit and the poor/weak suffer.”

Without a doubt, MTJohn. Speaking of which, there has been some interesting research published this past week associated with yesterday’s Equal Pay Day, April 17th, which symbolically marked the number of extra days American women would have to work into 2012 in order to earn, on average, as much as their male counterparts did in 2011:

“While women make less than men, black and Latina women make significantly less — black women make just 69 cents, and Latinas just 60 for every dollar made by men. At the same time, women of color are more often single mothers and thus the primary earners for their families.

Women with higher education face a larger pay gap: ThinkProgress has learned that women face the largest pay gap on Wall Street, and that even CEOs of lobbying firms get paid less if they’re women.

But there’s a greater trend. The more that women pay into their education, the less they get out compared to their male peers. According to an analysis from the Center for American Progress, “The lifetime wage gap for a woman who did not finish high school is $300,000, while the lifetime wage gap for a woman with at least a bachelor’s degree is $723,000.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/17/465806/charts-how-unequal-pay-is-even-more-unequal-for-some-women/

April 18, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
chet123 said...

I'M BACK HA HA HA HA HA HA....WHERE THE RIGHT-WING NUTTY REPUBLICANS AT NOW.....

YES...I AGREE WITH HILLARY INITIAL COMMENT.....WHAT DO ANN ROMNEY KNOW EXCEPT LAYING ON HER BACK....AND ALLOWING THE NANNY TO RAISE HER FAMILY....AND MAIDS DOING THE HOUSE WORK

MANY AMERICAN WOMEN...WORKING FULL-TIME JOB,GETTING UP BEFORE DAY BREAK TO TAKE THE KIDS TO DAY-CARE,.GOING TO PTA MEETING..BASKETBALL GAMES,...BEING A MOM AT HOME(HELPING WITH HOME WORK)..GOING TO COLLEGE AT THE SAME TIME...ALL IN A DAY

ANN ROMNEY HAVE NEVER,NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT BILLS NOR GET A REAL JOB.....I SAID IT....AND I DONT APOLOGIZE

April 18, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
TOES02800 said...
<p>@MickeyRat...Social security has been under water for generations! In fact all of the new deal policies have gone belly up! Try again, social security is a failed program because it ceased to be a self funded program almost from it's conception. So nice try but no sale. And another thing, just how is taxing the "rich" out of a petty $5 billion helping the economy? It's nothing more than an appeal to the jealous people. Obama don't give a rats ass about the economy. The country is falling apart and the best Obama can do is try and stick it to the "rich" people for chump change? Losers!

April 18, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO2800....YOU MADE AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT THAT SO I'M RESPONDING...

YOU ASKED TO ONE HA HA HA HA.....HOW ABOUT WOMEN RIGHTS YOU MORON,,,LABOR RIGHT,40 HOURS WORK WEEK,CHILD LABOR LAWS,MEDICARE,MEDICADE,GI BILLS

NOT TO MENTION SOCIAL SECURITY..WHICH YOU HAVE DIRECTLY OR INDECTLY BENEFITTED FROM YOU MORON...A PERFECT PROGRAM THAT WORKED WELL UNTIL GEORGE BUSH DIPPED INTO THE FUNDS TO FINANCE A WAR

NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT THE RIGHT-WING HAVE PRODUCED....PLEASE DO I'M WAITING

LET ME SEE....REDISTRUBUTION OF INCOME FROM WORKING CLASS AND MIDDLE CLASS TO THE 1%

HA HA HA HA

WHAT A JOKE THESE RIGHT-WING NUTTY REPUBLICAN ARE HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
chet123 said...

HEY TOE

REPUBLICANS HAVE ROBBED AND DIPPED INTO SOCIAL SEC....NOW LIE YOUR WAY OUT OF THAT

April 18, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
chet123 said...

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU.....YOU WANT TO REAP THE BENEFITS.....AND GIVE NOTHING BACK....SORRY IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT....

ONLY THE AMISH CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM......SORRY....

April 18, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO....I'M WAITING ON YOU TO TELL ME SOMETHING REPUBLICAN HAVE DONE IN THE LAST 30YERAS BESIDE SUCK THE ECONOMY DRY....SPEAR-HEADING NAFTA.....SENDING OUR JOBS OVERSEAS FOR CHEAP LABOR...TO MAX THE PROFITS OF THEIR GREEDY FAT POCKETS....Hmmmmmmm.... OR CITIZEN UNITED.....CREATING THE SUPER PACK(OUT-SIDERS FROM OTHER COUNTRY INFLUENCING OUR GOVERNMENT)SURE YOU JUST LOVE THAT....OR THE VOTER ID LAWS...TO SUPPRESS VOTER TURN-OUT..... REPUBLICAN WONT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS AND YOU KNOW IT HA HA HA!

OH OH OH...I KNOW ...THE SHOOT TO KILL BILL THE KOCH BROTHER HAVE PUSHED TO DIVIDE THE COUNTRY.....OH YEAH!....TELL ME

April 18, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO...THE COUNTRY HAVE FALLEN APART....THANKS TO THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS......CHINA IS THE NEW SUPER POWER....THANKS TO THE RIGHT-WING RICH AND GREEDY BUTT KISSER

April 18, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
conservative said...

This is a transparent and poor dig at family value Republicans ; the traditional family of father and mother, with the father working outside the home and the mother tending to the home and children.

Those unmarried moms with children living in a project obviously made bad decisions and should work and not be a burden on their neighbor. Furthermore they should be forced to identify the fathers of their children so that they can be made to provide support for their children.

April 18, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
jjmez said...

TOES02800 said... @MickeyRat...Social security has been under water for generations! In fact all of the new deal policies have gone belly up! Try again

The only problems SS Trust have are that right wingnut republicans have been stealing from the fund for decades, with Reagan and Bush Jr. being the biggest thieves.

"To pay for huge tax cuts for the rich and keep government operational, Mr. Reagan and Bush II robbed the Social Security trust fund. The rich became richer at the expense of the working man’s retirement fund."

April 18, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO ....SMOKE ON THIS

AVERAGE CEO INCOME--AVERAGE WORKER INCOME

JAPAN 11 TO 1

GERMANY 12 TO 1

FRANCE 15 TO 1

ITALY 20 TO 1

CANADA 20 TO 1

SOUTH AFRICA 21 TO 1

BRITIAN 22 TO 1

MEXICO 47 TO 1

VENEZUELA 50 TO 1

UNTITED STATES 475 TO 1

THIS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE LEAD THIS COUTRY WITH THEIR RICH AND GREEDY POLICIES.....

TOE YOU SHOULD BE TRIAL FOR TREASON....HIGH CRIME........WHILE THE REPUBLICAN TRY TO DIVIDE US BY RACE WITH THEIR HATE RHEOTRIC.....MY DEMOCRATS BUDDY WHO ARE ALL WHITE ARE LAUGHING AT THESE BOZOS HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO....IF SOCIAL SEC IS UNDER WATER....YOU AND YOUR RICH AND GREEDY FRIENDS WHO BUTT YOU KISS DAILY PUT IT THERE.....

April 18, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
jjmez said...

conservative said... Those unmarried moms with children living in a project obviously made bad decisions and should work and not be a burden on their neighbor. Furthermore they should be forced to identify the fathers of their children so that they can be made to provide support for their children.

I'll bet, conserv., the only reason you're attacking mothers in in public housing is because view them as being all black. There are many whites locally who live in public housing.

  1. Most individuals relying on federal government subsidies are actually rural and white?

  2. In many cities where whites dominate the population, public housing is solely white.

If a more truer picture was shown of who actually receives government assistance, I don't think you would attack so viciously.

April 18, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Obama has no record to run on. So throw it all out, separate and divide. NO accomplishments in this administration. The southpaws are scrambling to divert attention to the sub-standard performance of this White House. May work tho....seems to be more takers than givers in the ol US of A.

April 18, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que moaned: "It appears that the quote and link that you included are in your posting rotation and reappears here about once a month. Just as with many of your other dogmatic “acorns” that you happened to have stumbled upon at your favorite Libtard web sites. How long do you keep them in active duty before you retire them or are some of them such favorites of yours that you will repost them forever?"

Since the dreaded quote you seem to hate is in response to tired old "repeat" accusatory posts of yours and others who think like you, I think the answer is obvious, Tu_quo_que. The dreaded quote will continue to remain on active file until those tired old accusatory type posts of yours and others who think like you disappear. . . Get it?

As for the issue of economic inequality in the U.S., this issue is not going to disappear because it's a major issue. In fact, I just read an article a few days ago in the NYTs about the concerns and observations of some young upcoming economists:

"Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty have spent the last decade tracking the incomes of the poor, the middle class and the rich in countries across the world.

More than anything else, their work shows that the top earners in the United States have taken a bigger and bigger share of overall income over the last three decades, with inequality nearly as acute as it was before the Great Depression….

“The United States is getting accustomed to a completely crazy level of inequality,” Mr. Piketty said, with a degree of wonder. “People say that reducing inequality is radical. I think that tolerating the level of inequality the United States tolerates is radical.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/business/for-economists-saez-and-piketty-the-buffett-rule-is-just-a-start.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

April 18, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
chet123 said...

ITS FUNNY HOW THESE RIGHT-WINGS NUTTY TALK SO BOLDLY WHEN I LEAVE THE FORUM.....SHOOTING THAT MOUTH OFF...THEY HAVE DRAIN THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE NERVE ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT FREEDOM HA HA HA HA HA HA....YEP....FREEDOM FOR THEM.....DARN THE 99%......THEY HATE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY HATE THE "WE THE PEOPLE" PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.....THE GOVENMENT IS THE PEOPLE....THIS THEY DONT LIKE.....THE RICH AND GREEDY WANT AND ALMOST HAVE..."ABSOLUTE POWER"...WATCH THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT FOLKS....THE SAD PART IS SOME OF THESE FOLK ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW THAT THEY CUTTING THEIR OWN THROATS......WHY WOULD A WORKING CLASS MAN VOTE REPUBLICAN???????BECAUSE HIS PASTOR TOLD HIM?...THE PASTORS WHO ALSO RECEIVING BIG CONTRIBUTION FROM RICH AND GREEDY DONOR....OR BECAUSE SHEER IGNORANCE!

April 18, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
chet123 said...

JACK SANTA CLAUS HA HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
chet123 said...

ROMNEY HAVE A RECORD....ITS DOWN SIZING GOOD AMERICA JOBS PUTTING AMERICAN FAMILY OUT OF WORK CAUSING FAMILY TO LOSE THEIR HOMES ..SENDING THOSE JOBS OVERSEAS...HA HA HA HA....AND RECEIVING A BIG FAT AWARD BONUS OF MILLIONS AT POOR PEOPLE EXPENSE.....WELL JACK ROMNEY HAVE A LONG RECORD ...A RECORD OF NOT CREATING NOTHING FOR THE AMERICA PEOPLE......BUT PADDING HIS OWN EGG NEST

April 18, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que proclaimed: "As we all know your typical politician and government bureaucrat are always superior in all aspects to the free market."

I believe you've left out the role that some of these big corporations play in the alleged free market, Tu_quo_que. In reality, it's the relationship between the politicians, their campaign contributions, and the corporations that matters:

“The reality is that the government has implemented a wide range of policies that have led to a massive upward redistribution of before tax income over the last three decades. These policies have affected every corner of the market economy.

Just to take a few biggies, the fact that drugs are expensive is entirely due to government-granted patent monopolies. We spend about $300 billion a year on drugs that would cost less than$30 billion a year in a free market. The difference of $270 billion a year is close to 5 times what is at stake in extending the Bush tax cuts to the richest 2 percent of the taxpayers. (There are alternative mechanisms for financing drug research.)

Second, the reason why the wages of autoworkers have been depressed by having to compete with low-paid autoworkers in China, but the wages of doctors have not been similarly depressed is the result of deliberate government policy. We designed our trade policy to put our autoworkers in direct competition with workers who get paid less than $1 an hour in the developing world. The predicted and actual effect of this policy is to lower the wages of large segments of the U.S. workforce.

*We could have designed trade policy to make it as easy as possible for smart kids from China, India and elsewhere to study to U.S. standards and then practice medicine, law, and economics in the United States. This would put the same downward pressure on the wages of these professions as we have seen for manufacturing workers and non-college educated workers in general. This would lead to huge gains to consumers and the economy in the form of lower costs for health care, college education and other services provided by highly paid professionals.”

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/beat-the-press/

April 18, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hey Chet!! (aka clay123)....When you gonna put your pic up? Hmmmm?

April 18, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

@chet....What's bankrupting social security are lazy liberal morons that never work a day in their pathetic lives and claim disability. Most of these people can work but are just lazyasses like you and your mother. Obama raided medicaid for $500 billion to pay for another worthless government entitlement that he shoved down our throats. He's the one throwing grandma off the cliff you idiotic little liberal punk! The best part of you ran down your daddys leg! Your Obama's a pathetic joke! Anybody with half a brain can pick your retarded stats apart because every one of them is a crock! Now go find a job from a poor person, freakin retard!

April 18, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
conservative said...

jjmez.........

You are right! There are more white women on welfare than there are black women on welfare.

However you are wrong to bring race into the discussion simply because if you had looked at the cartoon you could have noticed the button with the words "housing project." YOUR statements reveal that YOU are the one who believes "all" the women in housing projects are black. I know that there are white and black unwed mothers in the projects.

YOU and the cartoonist are the "vicious" ones!

April 18, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
chet123 said...

THE CEO(RAY.R.IRANI) OF OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM IN 2006...TOOK HOME 460 MILLION DOLLARS IN SALARY AND BONUS....HA HA HA HA HA

THE BREAK-DOWN OF THIS IS:

YEAR---450,000,000.00(MILLIONS)

MONTH--- 37,500,000.00(MILLIONS)

DAY----- 13,000,000.00 (MILLIONS)

HOUR----550,000.00

MINUTES----9166.00

NOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THIS KIND OF SALARY A TAX BREAK.....WHEN WORKING CLASS ARE LOSING THEIR HOMES.......

I HAVE SOMETHING FOR TOESO AND SANTA CLAUS.....THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE PARTNERSHIP WITH......I DONT CARE IF RAY R. WAS DRILLING OIL OUT OF HIS BUTT HE SHOULD NERVER GET PAID IN SUCH AN AMOUNT

AND YOU HAVE THESE RIGHT-WING NUTTY REPUBLICAN WILL FIGHT WITH THEIR LAST BREATH TO PROTECT THE GREEDY OIL BARON.....HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
chet123 said...

JACK...YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT UGLY PIC DOWN.....ITS BAD ENOUGH TO BE A REPUBLICAN....BUT IT BADDER TO BE A UGLY REPUBLICAN.....HIDE THAT UGLY FACE

April 18, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

ALL YOU NEED IS A RED SUIT

April 18, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
chet123 said...

TOE...HA HA HA HA....YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.....YOU ARE BEING LAUGH AT....

YOU ARE A LIGHT-WEIGHT WHO IS FILLED WITH HATE.....SORRY YOU ARE LOSING......SO YOU WANT TO PLAY THE RACE CARD HA HA HA HA HA HA....

GLAD TO SEE YOU SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLORS....THE REAL TOE IS COMING OUT HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
chet123 said...

HEY TOESO....I HAVE FACTS.....YOU CANT DEAL WITH THE FACT TOE...DONT YOU FEEL LIKE A FOOL...BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU ARE...A FOOL....RAY R. IRANI IS A MAN OF COLOR....HE IS A DARK SKINNED PALESTINIAN....AFRICAN DESCENDENTS.DONT YOU FEEL LIKE A FOOL...DONT YOU FEEL LIKE A FOOL...THIS MAN MADE 13,0000,000.00 IN ONE DAY.AND HE DONT EVEN LIKE YOUR KIND...BUT YOU ARE DEFENDING HIM!!!.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...NOW DONT YOU FEEL LIKE A FOOL....LIVING IN YOUR TIN-CAN TRAILER.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 11 a.m.
chet123 said...

DEMOCRATS ARE A LOT SMARTER......WORKING-CLASS AND MIDDLE-CLASS REPUBLICAN GOT TO BE THE MOST IGNORANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD....THEY FIGHT AGAINST THEIR OWN GOOD......

THIS IS WHAT HATE...AND WATCHING FOX NEWS DO TO YOU HA HA HA...REALLY AMAZING

April 18, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
chet123 said...

GOT TO GO...THESE REPUBLICAN FOOLS SHOOT OFF AT THE MOUTH WHEN I'M NOT IN HERE....THEY WILL COME BACK AFTER I LEAVE!!

April 18, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

And you have all the credibility? Keep laughing asswipe. You can't even spell right. It's time to stop eating your mothers tofu burgers. Your filled with hate there little guy, everything your juvenile little brain puts down here is hate. You need to put down the playboys and the lube and get out of mommy's basement. Daddy must not have hugged you enough. Sounds like baby needs a hug.

April 18, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
chet123 said...

THEY ENTERTAIN THEMSELVES IN THE DARK....BUT WHEN I SHINE THE LIGHT ON THEM THEY RUN FOR THE CRAVES.....

ITS BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR NATURAL STATES(DARKNESS)THEY DONT WANT TO BE ENLIGHTEN...

GOVERNED BY HATE....BUT YOU WILL SEE THESE SAME BOZOS IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY.....THIS IS A SAD COMMENTARY OF WHO THEY ARE

April 18, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
chet123 said...

JUST LISTEN TO TOESO....HA HA HA HA HA HA

I NEED TO SAY NO MORE!...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Clay123: Yeah, but I don't hide behind my crayons.

April 18, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
chet123 said...

THANK YOU TIMEFREEPRESS FOR FREE SPEECH

April 18, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
chet123 said...

WHAT HAPPEN TO THE ISSUES......Hmmmm?

HA HA HA HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
chet123 said...

JACK...HONEST OF YOU TO ADMIT YOU HAVE CRAYONS..HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

Mitt Romney is the least popular presidential nominee in three decades. His favorable rating is 40 percent and his unfavorable rating is 48%. By way of contrast. President Obama's favorable rating is 11 points higher than his unfavorable rating.

Read the entire article at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/mitt-romney-is-the-least-popular-presidential-nominee-in-three-decades-so-what/2012/04/17/gIQA4kbBOT_blog.html?wpisrc=nl_pmfix

April 18, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
limric said...

TOES02800,

MickeyRat is correct. Social security has a $2+ trillion surplus. It could pay out every benefit owed for the next 26 years. It is not going bankrupt and it is not going broke. It IS self-financed, cannot borrow, spends less than one percent on its administrative costs, has a surplus, continues to grow and is off-budget. It does not contribute to the federal deficit or the debt.

You have been conned by the likes of Wall St. financier Peter Peterson, and the media is too lazy (and too stupid) to check out the facts for themselves, so they simply repeat what Peterson tells them about Social Security. It’s BS!

Republicans want to “fix” an entitlement program that is not broken so that bankers have access to a new stream of investment revenue. You cannot make up a more sinister idea than this one.

Nope. You’re dead wrong.

April 18, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Great news today. Ted Nugent will be dead or in jail by mid November. Vocalization has been that idiots downfall all along. I wish all repugnants would make the same pledge.

April 18, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TinMan and Limric. You boys learning Greek?

April 18, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.

Hey Junkie you really need to stop reading the post. It is as one sided towards democrats as fox is towards republicans. It is interesting you want to bring up his approval rating instead of Obama across the board having a below 40% approval rating.

April 18, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
timbo said...

So let me get this straight, if you are a welfare mom, spurting out kids to increase your government check with no job you are likely not to vote for Romney and probably vote for Obama.

Duh....tell me something I don't know.

Bennett is an idiot.

April 18, 2012 at 3 p.m.
ibshame said...

"limric said... You have been conned by the likes of Wall St. financier Peter Peterson, and the media is too lazy (and too stupid) to check out the facts for themselves, so they simply repeat what Peterson tells them about Social Security. It’s BS!

Republicans want to “fix” an entitlement program that is not broken so that bankers have access to a new stream of investment revenue."

And the ones who vote for Romney will continue to be conned. If the collapse of the mortgage bubble was not enough to convince people how Wall Street was more than willing to gamble with their livelihood then they deserve to have their Social Security gambled away just as they did with the mortgages.

Repubs have attempted to destroy Social Security since it started back in 1935. What better way to insure it's destroyed once and for all than to privatize it and hand it over to Wall Street? To paraphrase PT Barnum there's a sucker born every minute.

April 18, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
ibshame said...

"onetinsoldier said... Great news today. Ted Nugent will be dead or in jail by mid November. Vocalization has been that idiots downfall all along. I wish all repugnants would make the same pledge."

Good Ole Ted has an appointment tomorrow with the Secret Service to discuss some of his comments. Maybe he can convince them he was only talking about the prostitutes in Colombia. LOL

April 18, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
jjmez said...

conservative said... jjmez.........

You are right! There are more white women on welfare than there are black women on welfare.

However you are wrong to bring race into the discussion simply because if you had looked at the cartoon you could have noticed >the button with the words "housing project." YOUR statements reveal that YOU are the one who believes "all" the women in housing projects are black. I know that there are white and black unwed mothers in the projects.

YOU and the cartoonist are the "vicious" ones!

You're only making the claim you already knew after the fact. The image you have in your head, that of the welfare/public housing mom, is the same image Newt Gingrich, Rush and the rest put there. That is, of a black woman pushing out babies without daddies. But you and you're all are so very wrong.

April 18, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
jjmez said...

TOES02800 said... @chet....What's bankrupting social security are lazy liberal morons that never work a day in their pathetic lives and claim disability

Wrogn AGAIN! Having worked for SS for more than 39 years before retirement, SS disability recipients have worked and paid all their quarters into SS. You're confusing SS with SSI. They are not the same. SSI is for people who may have worked but became disabled before paying all of their quarters into the Social Security Trust. Or a child born with severe physical or mental deformity or handicap can qualify for SSI. A Majority of those families receiving SSI for a handicapped child are most often rural white poor or middle classed. Get your facts straight before spewing out something you know nothing about.

April 18, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.
conservative said...

jjmez.....

YOU made the false accusation.

YOU brought up race.

YOU got caught on YOUR racist thinking and I did the catching.

April 18, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
limric said...

Hi Jack_Dennis. You’re wondering if myself and the Tin man are learning Greek.Hmm. Ah, not exactly. We have however learned how to decipher GOPanese code. ;-}

April 18, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
BobMKE said...

jimez,

Could you please give us your expect opinion regarding mother and/or fathers trying to get their child falsely diagnosed with some affliction such as ADHD etc. just to bring in extra income for the household. I then assume that the payment is forever or not? When this is done falsely the child is stigmatized forever. Also in your opinion how much money could the tax payers save by the waste of these type of scams? Thank you.

April 18, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
jjmez said...

conservative said... jjmez..... YOU made the false accusation. YOU brought up race. YOU got caught on YOUR racist thinking and I did the catching.

Don't be sly, conserv. Your kind have gotten slick and rarely mention race anymore, but your slick and slithering new terms fool no one.

April 18, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
joneses said...

Time Magazine said it picked people "who inspire us, entertain us, challenge us and change our world." And not always for the better. Included on the list were Syrian president Bashar Assad, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, President Obama, and spiritual leader of the Taliban Mullah Mohammed Omar. Somali Islamic militant Sheik Moktar Ali Zubeyr was included in the "rogues gallery" too.

April 18, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
chet123 said...

TIMBO....WHAT KIND OF MAN ARE YOU???? YOU WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT "WELFARE STAY AT HOME MOM" AND LITTLE CHILDREN RECEIVING A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS WHILE YOU COHORT RICH AND GREEDY HAVE STOLEN TRILLIONS HA HA HA HA

SEE YOU STILL LOSING SLEEP OVER CRUMBS....HA HA HA.YOU KNOW HOW TO PICK YOUR BATTLE...PICK SOMEONE WEAK!....HA HA HA WHAT A COWARD!

April 18, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
chet123 said...

JJMEZ....DONT LET CONSERVATIVE OFF THE HOOK.....WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE "NEW DOG WHISTLE" THAT THE RIGHT-WING NUTTY USES...HA HA HA

YOU GOT CAUGHT!

HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
chet123 said...

CONSERVATIVE...YOU'VE BEEN BUSTED....JUST ADMIT IT!!!! DONT LIE!

DONT LIE!!!!....TRY TELLING THE TRUTH.....YOU CAN DO IT....JUST TRY IT ONCE IN YOUR LIFE....YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT RED HANDED....JUST SAY YOU GOT ME!

April 18, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
chet123 said...

JONESES...GET OVER IT....OBAMA IS YOUR PRESIDENT.....HE HAS THE BLACK BOX......HE ALSO HAVE YOUR PHONE BUGGED(THANK TO GEORGE W.PATRIOT ACT)HA HA HA HA

SO RELAX....RELAX....RELAX....HA HA HA

April 18, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOU'LL GET USE TO IT JONESES......HA HA HA HA HA!

April 18, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

WELL,WELL,WELL, I SEE ALL THE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN HAVE HIT THE EXIST.....HOPE THEY WERE ALL ABLE TO GET THRU THE DOOR AT THE SAME TIME!

THEY PROBABLY MADE A HOLE THRU THE WALL TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM ME HA HA HA HA!

April 18, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

SINCE THEY KNOW THERES A LIE DETECTOR IN THIS FORUM...THEY WILL WAIT UNTIL I LEAVE.....THEN THEY CAN RESUME LYING!!!!! HA HA HA..THIS IS A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A MAN!!!!!

April 18, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
chet123 said...

BYE BYE!

April 18, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.
jjmez said...

BobMKE said... jimez, Could you please give us your expect opinion regarding mother and/or fathers trying to get their child falsely diagnosed with some affliction such as ADHD etc. just to bring in extra income for the household. I then assume that the payment is forever or not? When this is done falsely the child is stigmatized forever. Also in your opinion how much money could the tax payers save by the waste of these type of scams?

There will always be someone taking advantage, but it's dangeorus and self defeating to throw the baby out with the wash. Look what happened when Tennessee cut so many from Tenncare years ago. The loudest cheerleaders for cuts envisioned mainly poor minorities, especially African-Americans, being cut. They were shocked to see so many rural, poor whites depending on Tenncare. Some of them had their benefits cut off who had children basciallty bedridden on on feeding tubes and oxygen.

From the wealthy and CEOs of major companies to some individual common citizen. You've all heard of the CEOs who got millions, sometimes billions from the federal government, then used the money to pay out bonuses to one another and take fancy expensive trips. However, the description you describe of the parent having a child pretend they are ADD or ADHD is very rare, and they would likely be caught. The reason for that is it takes members from the medical field (SS has its own staff of doctors who evaluate such cases) to actually confirm any medical, mental, psychological diagnosis or a physical disability or deformity that may not be visible to the eye (Some physical and even mental and psychological disabilities are not visible to the naked eye). Then there are judges that make rulings. No individual can just walk into a SS office. Apply for SSI or even SSDA and magically be approved. For some individuals it has taken months, even years for a ruling. Some have actually died waiting.

April 18, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

continued:

Let me ask you, would you take away from the good works such places as Orange Grove and Siskin do for their clients? Those clients suffer from physical and mental handicaps that can last a lifetime. Many live in group homes, with staff overseeing them to help. They require around the clock care. You have an obvious, yet misguided picture in your mind of who SS recipients are. You're wrong. You'd be surprised.

When a working individual is seriously injured or is stricken with a serious or life threatening illness, the first thing the private sector does is try to get rid fo that individual. Many have been terminated (company policy) from their jobs while they were going through rehabilitation or still lying flat on their back recovering from a Stroke or heart attack. Those people worked all their lives. Sometimes 30, 40 and 50+ years. But the moment they have a serious illness or injury the company doesn't want them anymore. The company wants to get rid of them. They've become a risk to the company. No matter how good of a worker they were. No matter if they never missed a days work. No matter if they never so much as even took a vacation day. The moment a serious illness or injury strike, the company wants them gone! Those individual payed into their SS. They may not yet be at SS retirement age, but they can no longer earn a living equal to what they're accustomed to earning or to sustain basic living needs.

April 18, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
jjmez said...

I'm having to post this in several parts because my response is over the word limit. continued:

Not that all companies are just bad employers when it comes to their employees. However, they're looking at the risk factor. Say, a truck driver who has a heart attack or stroke. That maybe the only job that person qualifies for and the only one the company has to offer. They don't want to place someone back behind the wheel and chance their having another stroke or heart attack. Perhaps risking killing other people on the road. And the company is held liable. As for company retirement income. That can be as little as less than a hundred dollars a month. 401Ks, may help, but they usually only pay out about 500 or less a month to low to middle wage earners. Then if the worker is injured or seriousl sicken before the 59 1/2 b'day, they can be seriously penalized if they withdraw their 401K. People are mistaken when they think the private sector will always look after their workers in times of need. And you can look at the failure of Brazil when they privatized their government retirement system. Some opted for that private retirement system, only for the federal government to have to step in and help upon their retirement. Most retired Brazilians who opted for the private retirement instead of stickign with the Brazilian federal goverment's plan earned only about 300 a month in retirement. Brazils federal government had to step in and take up the slack to help Brazilian retirees. Yet, Hermann Cain was boasting and bragging on Brazil's private retirement plan. Stating if elected he would use it as a model to privatize America's SS retirement trust.

April 18, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.
conservative said...

jjmez......

YOU didn't and couldn't refute anything I wrote so just like the the others of "your kind" YOU attack the person (me). It is the favorite ploy of "your kind."

YOU were racist in YOUR thinking and that is why YOU hpocritically acused me of racist thoughts when YOU put in print a racist accusation against me. Again YOU are the one who brought race into the discussion.

YOU then exascerbate YOUR foolishness by accusing me of racist sterotypes about having thoughts of " a blcak woman pushing out babies without daddies", a strawman.

GOTCHA!

April 18, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
jjmez said...

jjmez said...

TOES02800 said... @chet....What's bankrupting social security are lazy liberal morons that never work a day in their pathetic lives and claim disability

Wrong AGAIN! Having worked for SS for more than 39 years before retirement, SS disability recipients have worked and paid all their quarters into SS. You're confusing SS with SSI. They are not the same. SSI is for people who may have worked but became disabled before paying all of their quarters into the Social Security Trust. Or a child born with severe physical or mental deformity or handicap can qualify for SSI. A Majority of those families receiving SSI for a handicapped child are most often rural white poor or middle classed. Get your facts straight before spewing out something you know nothing about.

Also, I need to add here: One of the other benefits of SSI is that it's a supplementary income to people who have worked and payed all their quarters into the SS Trust, but their earnings were so low throughout the years that their SS monthly allowence is far far below the cost of living wage. Say a person worked at a minimum wage job most of their life. Their monthly SS check upon retirement could be as little as 400 or 600 a month. Depending upon their expenditures (what they have to spend out each month) they may qualify for SSI to supplement that low monthly SS retirement allowance. Which could be a little as a $67.00 additional allowance to maybe a little over a hundred a month.

April 18, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
jjmez said...

conservative said... jjmez...... YOU didn't and couldn't refute anything I wrote

You already do a darn good, even great, job of refuting yourself.

April 18, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moonpie said... "Answer this honestly: If President Obama said that the pay gap was in part due to a woman's menstrual cycle, what would you say about him?"

It would depend whether he was joking or not. Was he dead serious in a press conference or quipping over a heated exchange with Valerie Jarrett?

April 18, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
jjmez said...

tu_quoque said... Mezzy Sez: ”I'll bet, conserv., the only reason you're attacking mothers in in public housing is because view them as being all black. There are many whites locally who live in public housing.” ”Most individuals relying on federal government subsidies are actually rural and white?” ”In many cities where whites dominate the population, public housing is solely white.” ”If a more truer picture was shown of who actually receives government assistance, I don't think you would attack so viciously.” Since the different races are not equally represented in the U.S. population what does giving totals instead of percentages of each group prove? Oh yeah !! … Now I get it you want to misrepresent how likely one racial group is to be on government assistance than the other … which you obviously have a “dislike” for.

No, actually! You and your crew have already made yourselves known in that area. I'm just balancing it out with the truth.. Something that seems to be missing on your and yours end.

April 18, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
conservative said...

jjmez....

Now YOU are being childish. Better that than more false accusations.

April 18, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.
MTJohn said...

timbo said..."So let me get this straight, if you are a welfare mom, spurting out kids to increase your government check with no job you are likely not to vote for Romney and probably vote for Obama."

Two points, Timbo:

  1. You are spouting the Clear Channel caricature of the average welfare recipient, with no legitimate basis for assuming that the caricature is anything but a racial stereotype.

  2. And, for those mothers who do fit your stereotype, it is unlikely that that they will cast any votes for president. Many are unregistered. These are folks within the class of people whom voter ID is intended to prevent from voting. If registered and with proper ID, these folks will have difficulty getting to the polls on election day. And, if they do show up, they likely vote in precincts that are under served with election officials.

April 18, 2012 at 6 p.m.
moonpie said...

BRP,

Really? It would matter to you if he was joking?

If he had been joking, the very least you could say that it was misogynist and in poor taste....

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can cite an example of anything the president has done or said that you have praised on this forum. If you have defended him on anything, that will serve as an example.

I can see that you were trying to be funny and, no, you are not a candidate or a spokesperson for Romney or the Republican Party, so I can't hold you the standard I would hold them.

April 18, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
moonpie said...

rick1,

With chet's return and the blitz of capital letters, I somehow missed your post, so I'm sorry for the delay.

I followed your link and it was very difficult to tell if there was equal pay for equal work, even based on the job titles.

As far as the comments by Anita Dunn.... I do want to read the book Confidence Men.... I had heard that several high level women had felt marginalized in the Oval Office and that the men had greater access to the president. (One explanation was that most of the women had not been with the president on the campaign and so he didn't know them as well. Perhaps Obama just knew the men better and they had his ear more.... but that is really beside the point.)

Since I have yet to meet a perfect person, I'm sure the president is not perfect either. I have, at times, behaved in ways that made people feel marginalized or unappreciated without that being my intention.

While such criticism is never fun to hear, how a person responds to grievences says a lot about their character.

The question I have is, when he learned of the marginalization, how did he respond? Did he rebuff them? Did he make himself more available? What is the environment now?

I have heard that he was receptive to their concerns and tried to address them. I guess we'll have to wait for the sequal to find out.

April 18, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
<p>@jjmez...If ss has a surplus, then I take it that Bush and Reagan didn't plunder it like you said. You can't have it both ways there skippy!

April 18, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Just a few lies of your great messiah: LIE#1- "The jobs bill is paid for". LIE#2- "The healthcare bill will not increase the deficit by one dime". LIE#3- "We have run out of places to drill for oil in the U.S.". LIE#4- "The fence between Mexico and the U.S. is almost complete". LIE#5- "We shouldn't mandate the purchase of healthcare". LIE#6- "Healthcare deals will be covered by C-SPAN". LIE#7- "I have visited all 57 states". LIE#8- "I will have the most transparent administration in history". LIE#9- "My father served in WWII". LIE#10- "Healthcare package will pay for itself".....It doesn't seem to me that Bush had the market cornered on lying.

April 18, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
jjmez said...

conservative said... jjmez.... Now YOU are being childish. Better that than more false accusations.

Well, when addressing pre-schoolers one sometimes have to interact on their level?

April 18, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
jjmez said...

tu_quoque said...

Mezzy Sez: ”You're only making the claim you already knew after the fact. The image you have in your head, that of the welfare/public housing mom, is the same image Newt Gingrich, Rush and the rest put there. That is, of a black woman pushing out babies without daddies. But you and you're all are so very wrong.”

When a person claims to know what is in others hearts and minds without reference to word or deed it is almost always “projection”.

Strange, but not surprising, that you would describe you and your crew in such befitting terms. Interesting.

April 18, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
jjmez said...

tu__said:.. Since you claim to have worked for S.S. I’m sure it will be no problem for you to explain in detail how a president can steal from the S.S. trust fund.

We'll let you do your own research on that one. Consider it a grade school project for the weekened. It shouldn't take long. Well, they called it borrowing. But borrowing requires an expectation to pay back, right? Which they had no intentions of doing. Some say the trust was raided. Others call it what it is. stealing.

By the way: Social Security adds nothing to the national deficit. It's still quite solvent, in fact. Even with past presidents dipping, I'm being polite here since you're so sensitive on the matter, into it.

April 18, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
moonpie said...

Tu,

When you actually eat the dog, I'll believe you, too.

Besides, I took you for a Stricken Poodle Soup person.

I guess it's hard to get to know someone online.

April 18, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
conservative said...

jjmez..........

You just can't stop digging a hole for yourself.

BTW, your "Well, when addressing pre-schoolers one sometimes have to interact on their level?" is a statement, ( another childish one )which requires a period and not a question mark.

Are you trying to write like a child in addition to debating like a child?

April 18, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
rick1 said...

moonpie, no problem on the delay, I know Chet's posts can be very distracting.

You are absolutley correct, it is hard to tell if there is equal pay for equal work based on the job titles. In 2010 Obama says he is going to end pay check discrimination, when there maybe a lot of reasons why someone may make more than someone else. Education, experience, etc. But when he makes these kind of comments in 2010 and then there is a gap in wages between males and females in his White House staff it looks disingenuous on his part.

"I'm sure the president is not perfect either." I believe Obama thinks otherwise since he refuses to take responsibility for any of his policies that have not been successful.

Obama may say he is receptive and will address their concerns but I would not hold my breath that he will change his ways.

April 18, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said..."I think you have captured their and the male counterparts situation perfectly. Their inability to deal with and over come normal every day obstacles and inadvisable life choices have delivered them to the place they now occupy. The taxpayers have wasted trillions trying to alter the mind set that they represent and it has been for naught."

tq - if you grew up in that social class, your behavior would be no different.

April 18, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
jjmez said...

tu_quoque said... Mezzy Sez: Just as I thought. You never worked for S.S. and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. When you can’t back up you claims they automatically go into the B.S. category.

What you think doesn't matter. The facts are there. You only have to perform a few click searches on your computer to show which presidents borrowed how much from the fund. Neither does it take someone having worked for SS to perform the task either. Even a grade school child can do it with little computer experience. Try it.

April 18, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

JonRoss said... I am confused. I thought muzzies were prohibited by their religion of peace from eating dog

Just goes to prove. Like all Americans aren't chrizzies?

April 18, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

16 And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 20The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" 21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieved; for he was one who owned much property.

I guess Republicans go away grieved.

stanleyyelnats.com

April 18, 2012 at 9:31 p.m.
dude_abides said...

They're grieved, all right. Grieved about the fact that they've got another George W. Bush on their hands. He has that same jittery, air behind the eyes demeanor. I wish we could be entertained by him, yet keep the rest of the world unaware that the same stupid half of us have run another blithering rich boy up the flagpole.

April 18, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, good luck with that chauvinism.

You'll fit right in with the party of Foster Freiss.

I'll await you feigned outrage the next time some Democrat says something you an claim offense at.

Toes02800, you know when you fabricate quotes, the only person lying is you. That bit about the fifty-seven states is a clue. I know the right-wing likes to make a big deal of it, but anybody who listens to the actual video can tell Obama just misspoke. Trying to make it a slur on his mental capacity is bad enough, but calling it a lie? That destroys any claim to reasonableness in your words.

And TQ, the GOP's war on the elderly is in the Ryan Plan. Perhaps you missed that coverage. Don't worry it'll come up again.

April 18, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

TOESO....ARE YOU SAYING THE JOB BILL NOT PAID FOR????? TOESO....MAY I ASK YOU WHO FAULT IS THAT????Hmmmmmm WHAT PARTY CONTROL CONGRESS??????..SEE YOU WENT ON A USELESS RANT....CONGRESS IS DISFUNCTIONAL....AND IT WILL BE UNTIL WE VOTE OUT THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY....

AND HELP IS ON THE WAY......

I SEE WHY YOU CURSE/SWEAR SO MUCH....YOU DONT KNOW WANT YOU TALKING ABOUT.

April 19, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.
chet123 said...

RICK1....NOT ONLY IS THERES A WAR ON WOMEN BY THE REPUBLICAN....THERE IS TOTAL CONTROL.....

NOW THAT WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE GENERAL ELECTION REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO BACK-PEDDLE....HA HA HA

AS LONG AS THERE ARE TRACKS TO YOUR POSTING..I WONT LIKE YOU FORGET....

A WOMAN WOULD HAVE TO BE TOTALLY AIR-HEADED TO VOTE REPUBLICAN...UNLESS SHE LIKE ANN ROMNEY.....HAVE BENEFITTED BEING A KEPT WOMEN!!!!

April 19, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
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