published Thursday, July 12th, 2012

When Pigs Fly

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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tderng said...

I was wondering what those big bumps were on the pigs backs at my cousins pig farm.Must be the wings beginning to sprout.

July 12, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
wrdrennan said...

Hope you are right, Clay. Repeal would be a big step backwards.

July 12, 2012 at 2:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

repeal would be a big step forward

July 12, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Clay and the rest of the utopian liberals on this site, do you really think that the worst President that we have ever had will actually be reelected? When pigs can fly. Oblameacare will be repealed by President Mitt Romney and the Republican controled House and Senate.

July 12, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BobMKE and the rest of the Right-wingnuts on this site, do you really think that a cult-following flip-flopper will actually be elected? When pigs can fly. Obamacare will not be repealed by the Democratic controlled Senate or the Republican controlled House.

July 12, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So Easy, you think The Church of Latter-Day Saints is a cult? Very progressive thinking, my little leftist, hypocrite. Very progressive, indeed.

July 12, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jackie_Trollerton,

Yes, it is a cult. All religions are cults. If you knew the definition of 'cult' you would understand that. It is very progressive considering all these religions were founded or based on books written in Bronze/Iron-age Palestine/Africa. Heck, Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon in 1830. 1830! And he was a known charlatan.

I'm not a hypocrite but you sure are a dumbass.

July 12, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: Life by Wiki. Sad way to live.

July 12, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
anniebelle said...

This do-nothing congress held the 33rd vote on this legislation that has already been signed into law, sanctioned by our black robed supremes and the GOP has no intention of replacing it. They're job creators all right, we'll have far more funeral homes, morticians and grave diggers if this Affordable Care Act is defeated. We get it that you don't want to take care of anyone but the filthy rich, but apparently the GOP's constituents have to play this political game with the health and well being of our fellow citizens ad nauseum.

July 12, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

TrollieOllie_Dennis,

Didn't Wiki any of it.

But only a true moron would attempt to discredit the gathering of information and facts. You seem to do it daily. It's very strange.

July 12, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Looney Tooney. Pigs will fly in November . After seizing the Senate. You and King Kenyan will be powerless to stop the repeal. Draw a big tear then, OK

July 12, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
mymy said...

Clay’s Pigsty: A dirty, messy area.

The Pigs will eat anything including Obama lies.

The Pigs root for any freebees they can get from Obama/government.

The Pigs do not sweat life because they believe Obama’s Big Government will take care of them.

Hide and watch it unfold! Let’s see if it turns out to be Pig Heaven!

July 12, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

http://www.people-press.org/2012/07/12/section-1-the-2012-race-issue-strengths-views-of-the-parties/

Very interesting poll results.

"Not only has President Barack Obama expanded his overall lead from 4 points to 7 points, he also leads on almost every individual issue, including the economy and jobs."

July 12, 2012 at 3 p.m.
acerigger said...

Just curious, but does anyone know whether the A.C.A. will pay for the psychiatric care that these wingers are going to require after Pres. Obama is re-elected? I'm talking RUBBER ROOM type care! They'll be picking up skull fragments for days from all those heads exploding. But I guess that will create a lot of jobs,so it's all good.LOL!

July 12, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
mymy said...

Like all practicing physicians (and medical correspondents), I was glued to the news last Thursday morning at 10 am ET when the US Supreme Court via some questionable fancy legal footwork allowed ObamaCare to survive. Like many of my medical brethren, I was deeply disappointed by the outcome.

But ultimately I am not concerned about America’s doctors; we will survive even if our paperwork continues to pile up, our income continues to decline, and our waiting rooms overflow well beyond capacity. We may feel like quitting but most of us will soldier on, continuing to work even as the new Affordable Care Act committees regulate and restrict us to the point of impotence.

Most of us have no choice; we are super-specialized and we don’t know how to do much of anything else.

We will survive, but what about you, America’s patients?

I am worried that the more than 250 million of you who already have health insurance will see the quality of care you receive diminish greatly. Doctors will weather the storm of ObamaCare even if we have to see a patient every five minutes and spend most of our time seeking test and treatment approvals, but what about you? How will you feel when you hear about a brand new cure only to find out that your insurance won’t cover it?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/03/this-is-your-life-under-obamacare/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz20R9TnQij

July 12, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
anniebelle said...

really, foxnews, the one that told us "ObamaCare" was defeated and hoped their ignorant viewers didn't find out the truth. LOL

July 12, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

anniebelle,

The doctor featured in that article is "a member of the Fox News Medical A Team."

He gets paid by Fox. Surely he wouldn't lie! LOL!

July 12, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
EaTn said...

My observation is that most folks either support or oppose Obamacare based on misinformation they received from talk programs, friends, family, etc. The real question we all should be asking is what do we do if we repeal Obamacare? After all lots have changed since this law was implemented with several parts of the law already in place, eg.extending children age on parents policy.

July 12, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
mymy said...

anniebelle: ridee that horse if you choose. other's resported the same way at first.

July 12, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
mymy said...

Have any of you looms as a Dr. yourself what they think. I have.

July 12, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

"Others"? You mean 'other' (CNN).

I've asked doctors and insurance salespeople.

July 12, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tderng said... "I was wondering what those big bumps were on the pigs backs at my cousins pig farm.Must be the wings beginning to sprout."

Actually, conservatives call those love handles.

July 12, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am really starting to wonder how much all these "statement" votes cost. We're taking the time of 435 members of the House (plus staff) plus printing costs, recording costs, and, undoubtedly snacks and coffee in the speaker's lounge and probably a couple of limos to get members to their next lobbying gig.

I'm happy to pay for real work, but it's seems like a long time since I've seen a serious legislative effort. It all looks like trying to get seen on TV to me.

Paying just member's salaries come to $35,931 per hour. That is assuming a normal work schedule.

Congress actually averages 12 weeks per year of vacation. If that were subtracted out, it would come to a minimum of $47,278 per hour to keep Congress in session (plus health care and retirement pensions).

If it took 3 hours to assemble Congress, debate the bill, vote, and give a press conference - and they did this 31 times, it would appear that Boehner has spent a minimum of $4,396,854 tax dollars on show-boating.

The real number is probably more like triple that. I haven't touch the costs of lights, heat, and air conditioning in July in D.C.

And, yes, I hate it just as much when the Democrats do it.

While raising money for campaigns is forbidden within the halls of Congress, spending it seems to be A-OK!

July 12, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
tderng said...

83% of doctors surveyed say they are considering quitting since Obamacare has been ruled constitutional.

http://www.hangthebankers.com/report-83-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/

you think our healthcare system sucks? Just wait until there are no doctors. Even if they stay there will be a shortage of 90,000 M.D.s by 2020 and 130,000 by 2025.Our healthcare system will be in the tank and people dying faster than we can bury them.Perhaps mass graves are in our future.Or perhaps the cremation business is where the jobs are gonna be.

July 12, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: this number is more inportant:

RealClearPolitics Poll Averages

President Obama Job Approval

RCP Average

6/23 - 7/11

--

46.8 Approve

48.7 Disapprove

-1.9

July 12, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
acerigger said...

Yes miraweb ,I wonder when the "Liberal Media" is gonna start asking about that!

July 12, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tderng said... "83% of doctors surveyed say they are considering quitting since Obamacare has been ruled constitutional."

LOL... What are they going to do, become mechanics?

July 12, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
conservative said...

It is my belief that it is mathematically impossible for the majority of Obamination care to survive. We have yet to print enough money to pay for the "free healthcare." The country is already in massive debt due to Socialist spending now.

The American people finally took notice and took their anger out on Obamination and the Demoncrats in the midterm election, things are worse now and things will be worse for the Demoncrats and Obamination come November.

July 12, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

I also wonder how long it would go on if the press stopped showing up. I agree - they are part of the problem.

July 12, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...at least the house is doing something.The democratic led senate hasn't done a damn thing for 3 1/2 years.The reps in the house are at least trying to do what their constituents want them to do.They even got some democrats to vote for it. The do nothing democrat led senate won't even let a vote be brought up for fear it would pass.buck,buck,buck,buck,buuuuck.

we are paying the senators to sit there and do nothing...how much does that cost?

July 12, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

The funny thing is I know a doctor who has a complete handle on his schedule, spends substantial time with his patients, and manages research and teaching as well.

It is completely unusual to wait even 10 minutes past an appointment time and there are no misses on lab results or med refills.

He has systematically de-cluttered his practice group in a hundred little ways. He hired a top-notch assistant rather than a flock of minimum wage clerks.

When he sees a patient, time to dictate the notes is attached to the appointment. There is no pile of charts at the end of the day.

He dictates one full and complete note then that is complete enough for himself, the referring doctors, and any insurance inquiries. If it is a referred patient, the note is addressed to his colleague and he puts the copy in in his own file.

People go into medicine because they want control of their practice and their time.

So - what's stopping you?

July 12, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

Obama is inching ever closer to that 50% mark!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Obama is above 50% favorablity.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_favorableunfavorable-643.html

Romney is under 45% favorability (43%).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/romney_favorableunfavorable-1134.html

And Obama is still ahead in the General Election polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

LOL! Stop trying to fabricate poll results to suit your agenda!

July 12, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
tderng said...

no dude-abides,I imagine most will retire much earlier than they were planning.Some will go into other fields...Maybe government sponsored research,lol.It won't really matter what they do there is gonna be a massive shortage of M.D.s in a few years that will only get worse as time goes by.

July 12, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"83% of doctors surveyed say they are considering quitting since Obamacare has been ruled constitutional.

http://www.hangthebankers.com/report-83-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/

you think our healthcare system sucks? Just wait until there are no doctors."

Keep digging.

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2012/07/11/does-your-doctor-want-to-quit-because-of-obamacare/

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/12/that-comically-awful-doctor-survey-and-the-stat/187056

Why do you Conservatives keep believing the stupid crap the Right-wing propaganda machine keeps spewing out? IT'S ALL MISINFORMATION or LIES!

July 12, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

You really have no clue what you are talking about. Every one of your posts seems to be less and less in touch with reality.

July 12, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
EaTn said...

tderng,

"83% of doctors surveyed say they are considering quitting since Obamacare has been ruled constitutional."

Yeah, right. Where else are they going to work to pay for the big mortgages, car payments and student loans?

July 12, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...who is this miracle dr. I want to go to him.

July 12, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.
tderng said...

Ea Tn...just passing along the poll results.They didn't poll where they would go IF they left the field. It really doesn't matter.Even if they stay.they're gonna be way over worked and burn out quicker.

July 12, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
conservative said...

From todays Liberal newspaper Miami Herald :

Poll: Most Floridians disapprove of federal healthcare law, half want it repealed

A majority of Florida voters disapprove of the Obama healthcare law, most want the state to “opt out” of unmandated elements and half support a repeal of the law, a Miami Herald/Tampa Bay Times poll shows.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/2892871/poll-most-floridians-disapprove.html#storylink=cpy

July 12, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

More Americans approve than disapprove of the Affordable Care Act, a new poll from Pew Research Center shows.  

The poll, released Thursday, shows that 47 percent of respondents approve of the legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2010, while 43 percent disapprove.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pew-poll-public-approval-of-obamacare-above-water

July 12, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123....Media Matters? Really?...MUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Could you have picked a more biased,liberal,left wing nut job of a source? I don't think so.I believe them probably less than you believe Fox News.

July 12, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Tderng,

I didn't expect you to believe anything. You bathe in ignorance. You're far to brainwashed to believe facts.

July 12, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.
EaTn said...

conservative wrote...."Poll: Most Floridians disapprove of federal healthcare law, half want it repealed".

These are the same folks on Medicare who would cut your fingers off if you dared touch their federal healthcare.

July 12, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES: He is.

July 12, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
acerigger said...

tderng said...

"easy123....Media Matters? Really?MUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"

Here's a challenge for you,,pick ANY statement made by MediaMatters and disprove it! C'mon, I dare you! You've drank the kool-aid so let's see you back up your statement. BTW, still waiting for one of you wingers to give ONE example of where and or when Pres. Obama has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution.

July 12, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
conservative said...

Regarding most Floridians who want the healthcare law repealed, EaTn said : "These are the same folks on Medicare who would cut your fingers off if you dared touch their federal healthcare."

Exactly right! They receive heavily taxpayer subsidized healthcare and are not about to give up their big piece of pie without a fight.

July 12, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
  1. Recess appointments: In January, 2012, Obama named Richard Cordray to the Consumer Federal Protection Bureau (CFPB). This bureau is an offshoot of the Dodd-Frank financial bill. The CFPB is assigned to the Treasury Department and does not report to Congress nor does Congress have any oversight on its activities. At the same time, Obama named 3 new members to the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board). These actions were done as recess appointments which are only legally made when Congress is in session.

Twelve phone calls were made to inquire about the legality of the recess appointments: 6 to the House of Representatives; 6 to the Senate; both Republican and Democrat legislators. All of the Republicans said immediately they were in ‘pro forma’ session. All of the Democrats said they were not in session until they were asked if they were in ‘pro forma’ session. Then, they all said yes.

The definition of recess appointments in the U.S. Constitution can be found in Article 1, Section 5 and Article 2, Section 2. Obama breached the Constitution because Congress was still in session when he made the above recess appointments.

  1. Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA): In February, 2011, Obama instructed Eric Holder, Attorney General of the US, to no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (enacted in September, 1996 as a Federal law). Obama does not have the authority to determine if a law is constitutional or not, nor does he have the authority to refuse to enforce the law.

  2. First Amendment - religious freedom: In August, 2011, Obama announced through Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) that contraceptives, abortifacients, breast pumps, domestic violence counseling and other similar services would be covered – free – for all women, regardless of who provides it. This included religious organizations that own or support hospitals, clinics, schools, charities and adoption agencies.

In response to the strong objections of the Catholic Church and other religious organizations over his running roughshod over the First Amendment, Freedom of Religion right, Obama said he would compromise and only the insurance companies would have to offer the benefit. Many religious agencies, however, are self-insured so their insurance coverages are paid for by the church itself. In this case, the Catholic Church is suing Obama – one of the few who have taken an active step to fight this President. Obama swore in his oath of office to uphold the Constitution and he is blatantly breaching it here.

July 12, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
  1. Dreamers Immigration: In July, 2011, Obama told the National Council of La Raza, "I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own... The idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. But that's not how -- that's not how our system works."

Then, in June 2012, Obama ordered Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security, to stop deporting ‘children’ (up to age 30) who were brought to the US illegally by their parents. The ‘children’ would be provided work papers and there are approximately 1,500,000 people in this category. There are other factors involved, but since Obama hasn’t done anything with the illegal immigration problem for 3 ½ years, one can only surmise that he’s ‘buying’ the Hispanic vote now that it is election time, a cynically obvious ploy. As he himself stated above, Obama does not have the authority to change the Federal immigration law.

  1. Fast & Furious: A gun running project which began in 2009 and ended in 2011. Thousands of guns were sold and sent across the Mexican border without tracking tags and ended in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and Brian Terry, an American Border Patrol agent. The House Oversight committee of Congress has been investigating this issue since last year and has held Eric Holder, the Attorney General in contempt of Congress. Because of this contempt citation, Obama has invoked executive privilege so that certain additional papers and information will not be turned over to the committee. Using an earlier gun running project done under the Bush administration (Wide Receiver), the Obama administration has claimed they are just doing a similar project.

Operation "Wide Receiver" that the Bush administration ran was not the same as Obama's "Fast and Furious", and was ended in 2007.

If nothing was wrong with "Fast and Furious" because it was like the Bush program, then why the need to invoke executive privilege? On the other hand, if there was something wrong with "Fast and Furious", then the Bush program can’t be used to excuse it.

Here's five examples of Obama stepping on the constitution.

July 12, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
rick1 said...

ace said BTW, still waiting for one of you wingers to give ONE example of where and or when Pres. Obama has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution.

Please read this article by Robert Knight senior fellow for the American Civil Rights Union and a columnist for The Washington Times.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/16/obama-tears-up-the-constitution/

July 12, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
rick1 said...

ace said Here's a challenge for you,,pick ANY statement made by MediaMatters and disprove it! C'mon, I dare you! You've drank the kool-aid so let's see you back up your statement.

Here you go ace.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/06/13/media-matters-the-message-is-more-important-than-the-facts/

July 12, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
alprova said...

tderng offered: "83% of doctors surveyed say they are considering quitting since Obamacare has been ruled constitutional."

The poll that "Hang The Bankers" refers to was not about ObamaCare at all. The poll was a very non-specific poll, titled "ATTITUDES ON THE FUTURE OF MEDICINE: What’s Wrong, Who’s to Blame, and What Will Fix It?"

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/resources/85-physician-attitudes-survey-june-2012

The questions asked of the Physicians who resonded were very vague and again, and not one question in that survey refers to ObamCare.

There is only one reference to the PPACA throughout the entire survey, where Physicians are asked to rate the importance of what they think will improve medicine. The question was tainted by not separating which option they were responding to in the phrase "repeal part or all of PPACA."

Here is the complete survey;

http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/images/files/DPMA_SurveyResults.pdf

The survey revealed several surprising conclusions. See how many of them that any of you agree with:

95% of the Physicians who responded stated that Corporate medicine, including hospital and insurance companies, is intentionally trying to destroy private practice;

81% of the Physicians who responded were engaged in private practice.

Most respondents believe direct payment by patients will restore accountability & patient control;

Most of the Physicians feel that patients should pay all charges directly to them and seek reimbursement from insurers on their own.

Physician comments:

"The most important thing would be to eliminate third party payments. The patient should pay the physician for service. Whether they then get reimbursed is between the patient and the third party payer. This would put patients and physicians in charge…"

"If the patient pays at time of service and files an insurance claim on their own, it reduces the likelihood of superfluous utilization, AND reduces insurance company denials since the patient is following up on their own claim."

"Patients would be more thoughtful consumers if they had more “skin” in paying for health care."

"...The result is what we have today: health care is a 'right,' 'I’m entitled to it,' and if I don’t have the money to pay for the costs [then] oh well, I get it for free anyway."

Government-imposed solutions (PPACA, electronic health information) destined to fail;

Physicians do not desire patients to have equal and unfettered access to their medical records. Currently, Physicians have complete control over a patient's records and they profit from any release of those records to many patients, insurance companies, Governmental agencies, other Physicians, etc.

July 12, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

tderng -

This is the guy:

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/dms/immunology/fac/Schur.php

He is a Master Member of the American College of Rheumatology; wrote the book on Lupus; and keeps his practice under control all at the same time. Best doc I've ever seen.

July 12, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA): In February, 2011, Obama instructed Eric Holder, Attorney General of the US, to no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (enacted in September, 1996 as a Federal law). Obama does not have the authority to determine if a law is constitutional or not, nor does he have the authority to refuse to enforce the law."

The President didn't make that determination. Three Federal Judges and a Federal Appeals Court have ruled DOMA unconstitutional.

Golinski v. Office of Personnel Management

Gill v. Office of Personnel Management

Massachusetts v. United States Department of Health and Human Services

On February 22, 2012, U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White ruled in favor of Karen Golinski, after spousal benefits were denied to her wife, who is a 19-year employee of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Judge White ruled that DOMA "violates her right to equal protection of the law under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution." He stated that "section 3 of DOMA could not pass the 'heightened scrutiny' or the 'rational basis' test."

The case is currently on appeal by the Office of Personnel Management to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, but on July 3, 2012, the Department of Justice asked the Supreme Court to review the case before the Ninth Circuit decides it so it can be heard together with the two other cases in which DOMA section 3 was held unconstitutional.

July 12, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Economic growth in the first quarter of 2012 was a meager 1.9 percent and many economists are projecting even slower growth in the coming months. Job growth has been weak, too. In the first three months of 2012, the U.S. has averaged more than 200,000 new jobs a month; in the most recent three months, the average has plummeted to just 75,000 per month The unemployment rate is headed in the wrong direction, ticking up to 8.2 percent last month, and the possibility of a double-dip recession looks more likely with each passing day.

If the president thought the economy was “somewhat fragile” in January of 2010, does he think it’s stronger today? His vice president recently argued that for the “millions and millions of Americans” who are unemployed the current economic situation feels like a “depression.” And yet the same president who warned against the damaging effects of tax hikes back then now argues that increasing taxes on the rich will make “the country as a whole stronger.”

Contradictions don’t come much stronger than that.

It’s not the first time that Obama has made the case against raising taxes in difficult economic times. In August 2009, Obama said raising taxes in a recession is “the last thing you want to do” because it “would just suck up – take more demand out of the economy and put business further in a hole.”

We are left, then, with this very peculiar set of circumstances: A president who not only seems to understand the economic damage that raising taxes will cause but who has himself twice warned against raising taxes in a fragile economy.

The president regularly complains that Republicans are putting politics over the national interest. But he’s proposing policies that he’s said—on more than one occasion—will hurt the economy.

Who’s putting politics first"?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2010-raising-taxes-will-lead-more-folks-potentially-losing-jobs_648375.html

Deception by confusion.

July 12, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I know you have mention that since you have a pre existing condition you are unable to afford health insurance. Assistant House Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) was asked the question “In voting to uphold the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate, are you voting for a tax?”

Clyburn's response was “Am I voting for a tax? Only on those freeloaders who don't purchase insurance.”

Al, how do you feel about Clyburn (Democrat S.C) calling those who do not purchase insurance freeloaders. Al what if the high risk pool is to expensive in 2014 as it currently is for a lot of people and you can not afford to purchase insurance would you appreciate Clyburn calling you a freeloader?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/democratic-leader-explains-obamacare-theres-no-tax-anybody-unless-they-refuse

July 12, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 waded in with the following complaints:

"In January, 2012, Obama named Richard Cordray to the Consumer Federal Protection Bureau (CFPB)...At the same time, Obama named 3 new members to the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board). These actions were done as recess appointments which are only legally made when Congress is in session..."

"A federal judge on March 2, 2012 threw out a challenge to President Barack Obama's recent recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/02/us-usa-court-appointments-idUSTRE8211JO20120302

A federal judge in New York declined to rule on whether President Barack Obama's recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board violate the U.S. Constitution, leaving the widely debated question unresolved for now. The decision marked the second time a court has declined to rule on the matter."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303816504577310130013535936.html

For someone who allegedly made these appointments in an unconstitutional manner, there doesn't appear to be a Federal Judge willing to rule in support of such a conclusion.

This one kinda died a natural death, despite about a dozen lawsuits having been filed in various Federal courts.

July 12, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.
acerigger said...

rick1 ,thanks for the link. After following it and other links provided in that article, I still fail to see any "lies" by MediaMatters.

Statements made by them were not dis-proven,only "spun" by the Hotair pundit.

July 12, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
rick1 said...

Ace, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I believe Media Matters mislead on the four statements listed in the article.

July 12, 2012 at 9:29 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

alprova, it didn't "die" a "natural" death. It's right beneath the rug where they and the liberal media swept it. Just like the justice department refused to prosecute the new black panthers for voter intimidation (even though there is ample video evidence to prove it). Just because they refuse to "rule" or prosecute doesn't mean it's legal and constitutional. Obama's MO is intimidation and manipulation.

July 12, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Condi is ok with ole JD.

July 12, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Assistant House Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) was asked the question “In voting to uphold the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate, are you voting for a tax?”"

"Clyburn's response was “Am I voting for a tax? Only on those freeloaders who don't purchase insurance.”"

"Al, how do you feel about Clyburn (Democrat S.C) calling those who do not purchase insurance freeloaders."

He was referring to people who decide to refuse to purchase insurance, once the health care insurance pools are set up.

When the mandate kicks in, if someone has the financial ability to purchase a health care insurance policy that meets the minimum standards and they refuse to do so, then they are certainly entitled, as the ACA sets forth, to pay a penalty tax to the Gov't, to cover their hospital bills.

"Al what if the high risk pool is to expensive in 2014 as it currently is for a lot of people and you can not afford to purchase insurance would you appreciate Clyburn calling you a freeloader?"

Chances are, people such as myself, with the health care history that I have, will be folded into Medicare.

Premium assistance and tax credits will be available for individuals and families who earn up to 400% above the poverty line. This will give people an incentive to seek to insure themselves.

I've entered into discussions with many people over the issue of ObamaCare. The rumors floating out there are absurd.

I urge anyone convinced that the ACA is all bad and that it is destined to ruin health care in this country, to take a deep breath, set aside some time do some reading, and to check it out.

Most of you who are opposed to ObamCare already have in your head, the reasons you are opposed to it. Why not start your research with ten GOOD reasons to support it?

  1. Seniors in the Medicare “doughnut hole” are saving an average of $600 on their prescription drugs.

  2. Many small businesses that provide health insurance to their employees, are eligible for tax credits that can currently reduce their health care costs by as much as 35 percent. These tax credits will increase their savings to around 50 percent in 2014.

  3. Insurance companies are no longer allowed to deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions.

  4. Insurance companies are no longer allowed to cap lifetime coverage limits.

  5. Insurance companies today are required to spend 80 percent of the premiums they collect on payments for actual care, and if they don’t, Americans get a rebate check.

  6. 3.1 million young adults, who would otherwise have become uninsured at age 18, now have coverage under their parent's insurance plans until they reach age 26.

  7. Seniors with Medicare are now provided with a free, annual checkup with their physician.

  8. The website at http://www.HealthCare.gov helps families and small businesses find affordable coverage today.

July 12, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

It's not "free" alprova! They just aren't the ones who pay for it.

July 12, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

If you had two cars and your neighbor had none, would you object to the government forcing you to give one car to your neighbor? Or would you consider it the "fair" thing to do and just comply?

July 12, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al,just answer the question if you or someone else is unable for any reason to purchase a high risk health insurance policy like you are unable to at this time, how do you feel about Cylburn calling you a freeloader? How would you feel if a republican made the same comment?

July 12, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "alprova, it didn't "die" a "natural" death."

Really? Well I'll tell you what: When any court ruling comes down the pike that agrees with you, and a vote of impeachment is conducted in Congress, then let's discuss it. Until then, it's a dead issue.

"It's right beneath the rug where they and the liberal media swept it. Just like the justice department refused to prosecute the new black panthers for voter intimidation (even though there is ample video evidence to prove it)."

Gee, I Googled the subject an hour ago and saw no less than a couple of thousand news stories on the dispute between the President and the Republicans over his January recess appointments.

Regarding the charge that the Black Panthers intimidated anyone, there are millions of white people in this country who, when they see a black man standing on a street corner minding his own business, who have a panic attack, rush to lock their car doors, arm themselves with their cell phones, and then promptly pee their pants in abject fear, because they are "intimidated."

And just in case you were not aware of it, it was the GWB Administration's Justice Department that decided against filing any criminal charges against the Black Panthers in that Philadelphia incident.

Despite your claim that there was "ample video evidence to prove" intimidation, not one person who came to vote on election day at that precinct in Philadelphia, filed any claim that they were intimidated by any of those men.

"Just because they refuse to "rule" or prosecute doesn't mean it's legal and constitutional."

You might be surprised to learn that it was the Obama Administration that obtained a default judgment against Samir Shabazz, the member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day, 2008.

Oops.

It appears that there are people in this nation who misunderstand and misinterpret the Constitution about as often as they do the Bible.

"Obama's MO is intimidation and manipulation."

For sure, the President walks around with a billy club strapped to his side and the man is black. I can see why you are so intimidated by him.

July 12, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "It's not "free" alprova! They just aren't the ones who pay for it."

They paid their medicare taxes just like you do.

July 12, 2012 at 11 p.m.
rick1 said...

TOES, don't forget The Obama Adminstration was held in contempt of court over the oil drilling ban in the Gulf.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html

July 12, 2012 at 11:10 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "So you be a freeloader as Clyburn said if you are put into Medicare since you are not purchasing a policy."

I'm sure that I will indeed have to pay a premium for future coverage if I wind up on Medicare, not to mention the fact that for many, many years, I too have paid taxes into Medicare.

I know that I am not now, or will I ever be, a freeloader.

"How do you feel about him calling you anothers a freeloader? Please lust answer the question."

I answered your question. The man was referring to those who will have the means to purchase a health care policy, yet refuse to do so.

If anyone simply refuses to purchase insurance, when nothing prevents them from doing so, then yes, they are indeed making a conscience choice to force the Gov't to cover their medical bills.

Calling them a "freeloader" may be a bit harsh, but is it a relevant term used to describe someone who by their refusal to take responsibility for their own health care expenses, when nothing standing in his way, forces the taxpayers to cover those expenses for him?

Yep.

July 12, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "TOES, don't forget The Obama Adminstration was held in contempt of court over the oil drilling ban in the Gulf."

The case was Hornbeck Offshore Services LLC v. Salazar. Please take note of the fact that the Obama Administration was not held in contempt. Kenneth Lee "Ken" Salazar, the United States Secretary of the Interior, was the sole named defendant in that case.

And, in case you were not aware of it, that specific case has yet to be settled. It is on the docket to be heard in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans, Louisiana, on August 8, 2012.

It is USCA Case Number 11-30936.

July 12, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.

So anybody seen any flying pigs lately, or were they all grounded due to weather?

July 13, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
raygunz said...

Haven't seen any flying pigs but I have seen nearly 90 hours and 50 MILLION dollars fly out the window with the House of Represetatives trying to repeal "Obamacare" for the 33rd time!

Where are all the JOBS they said they were gonna create when they ran in the 2010 mid-term elections?

July 13, 2012 at 1:41 a.m.
anniebelle said...

MyMy Yes, ConservativeNonNews also "reported" (and I use that term loosely) it was defeated and it just shows we no longer have reliable media in this country, just lackeys for the rich. It's no small wonder that our citizens don't even know or want to know what is actually in the bill and yet you go out and do their lying for them. What exactly do you gain from this? I know what the wealthy gain from it.

July 13, 2012 at 5:51 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Republicans, who have called for budget cutbacks, wasted over $50 million trying and failing to repeal the Affordable Care Act. The House GOP, by some estimates, spent up to 89 hours debating or voting on repeal of Obamacare. Though every effort has been fruitless, it’s cost a pretty penny. The Huffington Post calculates how much it would cost at just 80 hours of debate: CBS’ Nancy Cordes reported Wednesday that Republicans’ many fruitless attempts at repealing the Affordable Care Act have taken up at least 80 hours of time on the House floor since 2010, amounting to two full work weeks. As the House, according to the Congressional Research Service, costs taxpayers $24 million a week to operate, those two weeks amounted to a total cost of approximately $48 million.

July 13, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
EaTn said...

TOES02800 said... "If you had two cars and your neighbor had none, would you object to the government forcing you to give one car to your neighbor? Or would you consider it the "fair" thing to do and just comply?"

A "good" non-greedy neighbor would gladly share the extra car to a needy neighbor. As for fair for the govt to forcing you to give the car to your neighbor, the question also might be asked was the extra car obtained with taxpayer money--lucrative tax contracts, tax incentives, Bush tax cuts, etc.?

July 13, 2012 at 6:33 a.m.
degage said...

Do any of you know what is in this bill? here are a few things. pg272 no cancer treatment after age 76. pg 58 & 59 access to bank account and authority to make electric transfers. pg 50 section 164 all non-residents willbe covered. pg65 section 164, plan will be subsidized ( by government) for all union members and union retirees,and community organizations. pg 203 line 14& 15 tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.( wonder who thought up that one.) pg 272 section 1145 cancer hospitals will ration care according to patients age. pg 241 & 253 doctors will be paid the same regardless of specialty and Government will set all doctors fees. And weather you like it or not congress is exempt. they are also exempt from Social security. If they wern't they would fix it.

July 13, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Unless the Republicans can erase from the public record all vestiges of the Affordable Care Act, they will have to spend the rest of their lives - literally, the rest of their lives - hearing Americans refer to their medical insurance plans as "Obamacare."

Let that sink in.

Think about the phrase, "Social Security." Think about what a taken-for-granted phrase that is. Every single adult American knows what "Social Security" is.

Think about "Medicare." Who doesn't know what that is?

July 13, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

I agree with Ea Tn toes02800 is a greedy selfish worthless conservative piece of sh@!. Told me to shut the fu*% up (which proved to everyone what a complete idiot he is} when I told him that, must have be the truth, it really gets his panties in a wad. Toes02800 should be the first in line for universal health care maybe then he can get that hysterectomy he so desperately needs.

July 13, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.

Should have had Nancy Pelosi pulling that sign, same species.

July 13, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
librul said...

When America finally establishes its system of socialized medicine that equitably provides health CARE to all its citizens, everyone will be able to look back and appreciate the Affordable Care Act as the first timid step out of the private, for-profit health INSURANCE swamp that is akin to a ball and chain being dragged around by todays captive population.

When Republican cranks try to claim that the ACA "puts the govt. between you and your doctor" never forget the pain and suffering that the private, for-profit health insurance cartel and their buddies over in the big pharmaceutical corporations have brought down on our people while THEY stood between them and their doctors, often blithely denying the health CARE they needed.

For-profit health insurance is an immoral scam, always has been, always will be until it is brought down in a heap and an equitable and affordable system built on care and compassion rather than boundless profit is established. Republicans can gnash their teeth and Fox News can strip their gears trying to crank out propaganda to the contrary but "them's the facts."

July 13, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
anniebelle said...

St. Augustine

This letter responds to a letter of April 7, “Sowell’s ‘enlightened perspective’ on Obama is appreciated,” in which Mildred N. Koger asserted that President Barack Obama has lied repeatedly. Strangely, not a single one of Obama’s imputed lies was mentioned in Koger’s letter. Moreover, Koger failed to mention the plethora of lies told by Republican politicians. Many of these lies have become major Republican talking points.

In the interest of balance I present below eight recent egregious and mostly self-refuting Republican doozys:

  1. Obama is a Muslim

  2. Obama is not a US citizen

3.“Global Warming and Darwinian Evolution are non-existent”. (This one is refuted by the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence.)

  1. “Social Security and Medicare are failed programs that are going broke and must be eliminated or severely curtailed.”

  2. “Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA) will kill jobs and bankrupt the government.” These last two are refuted by Office of Management and Budget reports on the economic impact of the ACA, and widely available data on the financial status of Social Security and Medicare. 6. “The ACA’s mandate to purchase health insurance is an unconstitutional socialist policy”. In fact, the mandate was originally proposed by Republicans and it is the centerpiece of presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s own health care plan, now well-appreciated by the citizens of Massachusetts.

  3. “Government cannot create jobs.” This one is often spoken by Republican politicians who hold government jobs.

  4. “Drilling for oil on US territory will lower the price of gasoline.” In fact, oil companies extract our American oil at low cost and sell it on the world market at great profit. It is known that even if all oil on U.S. territory were extracted there would not be enough to have a significant impact on the worldwide price or the price at the pump.

July 13, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.
anniebelle said...

zab, I didn't see your hateful attack on me until yesterday afternoon. Let me see if I can get this through that excrement you have stored in your brainpan. My father gave his life for this country when I was a young girl. My brother, who didn’t have a father (especially, not a rich father like that coward Bush) was killed in a remote jungle in Vietnam. Just this past year my grandson died from the wounds he suffered in the illegal war started by Bush/Cheney. I think my family has paid the ultimate price for me to speak my mind and even pathetic punks such as you to also have that right. With your philosophy, sounds like you need to move to some rightwing neocon country such as Iran, North Korea or even Cuba, yes, they are right-wing dictatorships by the definition of extreme right-wing. You are the epitome of the hateful neocons that will sell out their own country to the highest bidder because of their ignorance and intolerance. No, the people that want to totally control this country and all its resources for their own greedy selves are not long dead, they’re right here running in the GOP and they have you as their poor little ignorant slave hand-maiden. This country is becoming 1930's Germany and with your help we will achieve the Fascist state you so desire.

July 13, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

Your entire post is a complete fabrication. You are a liar.

July 13, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

anniebelle: Huffington Post references add zero credibility to your argument.

July 13, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
degage said...

Easy, look it up for yourself. You really didn't need to get your panties in a wad.

July 13, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Troll,

Only a complete fool like you would assert that. You only try to discredit "liberal" sources because they expose your Right-wing propaganda.

July 13, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: STILL the most immature name-caller on this forum. Grow up, child.

July 13, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.

My post from yesterday stands. Your hate for this country oozes from in between every letter of your posts Anniebelle. There's only party that loves the boot on the neck, and that's the Democratic Party.

July 13, 2012 at 8:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Troll_Dennis,

STILL the biggest whiner, troll, non-contributor on this forum. Stop crying, old timer.

July 13, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Anniebelle & unEasy123: Conservatives believe USA is richest country in world because we earned it. Liberals believe because we stole it. About sums it up for you two leftists.

July 13, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Troll,

That bit hyperbole doesn't really make sense. However, it is debatable on whether the USA is the richest country in the world. If you want to base it on GDP, then we are #1. But if you base it on GDP per capita, then we are not.

And, if you knew anything about history, ours isn't the prettiest. If you can't see that or if you ignore it, I pity you.

July 13, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.
conservative said...

The problem with universal healthcare (a euphemism for Socialized Medicine) is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

July 13, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Can you imagine life without Wiki? Your comment about our nation's history kind of proves my original point. No?

July 13, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

Thank you, Margaret Thatcher.

Just so happens that Obamacare isn't universal healthcare or socialist.

July 13, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jackie_Trollface,

Can you imagine life where you actually posted something with content?

It doesn't prove your original point. It does prove mine though. You are completely ignorant of historical facts pertaining to the United States.

You can be a nationalist and ignore the ugly parts of American history. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. But there are people, like Anniebelle, that are aware of those atrocities and cannot ignore them.

I love this country but it is by sheer coincidence that I was born here. I am no better than anyone else simply because of my nationality.

July 13, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

What makes conservatives think people are living off "their taxes". We all pay taxes, Democrats pay taxes in this country just like Repub-lie-cons do.

July 13, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy AKA world citizen: You make my point with each post. Your naiveté is perplexing.

July 13, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.

Break out the violins Anniebelle. Your hatred for this country oooooozes from in between every letter of your leftists posts. Laughable.

July 13, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Jack, Easy's comment about the ugly parts of American history amazes me. I realize there are some not so shining parts, but America does more for humanity than ANY other country on the face of the earth, and to some that despise us in spite of it.

It reminds me of a question I heard a guy pose the other day. A person is either going to understand it, or they're not part of the solution.

Would all the Prius buyers have bought a Prius if it were made by GM?

July 13, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
conservative said...

We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism. ( anonymous)

July 13, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Troll_Dennis,

LOL! I haven't proved any of your points. It would seem as if YOU are the naïve one. I think ignorant would be a better word for you though.

By the way, you are a citizen of the world as well.

July 13, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

chatt_man: I cut Easy a little slack because he's a yoot. But his determination to stay ignorant is confusing. If not almost funny. Maybe he will grow out of it. Maybe not. (he's at that name-calling stage of pre-puberty now)

July 13, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Chattman,

So the comment "amazes" you and then you admit the same point? LOL!

Doing humanitarian work doesn't erase the past. Saving a life doesn't offset killing someone.

July 13, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Troll,

Ignorant of what? Sounds like you are projecting again, Troll.

WHINER! Can you really not take the heat, Jack?

Have you bought that coffin yet? Here are some good deals for you!

http://bestpricecaskets.com/SFNT.html?gclid=CL6l7evmlrECFW1j7AodmDRu0w

July 13, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: I rest my case.

July 13, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Ok, Mr. Easy, so smart...what do you propose we do to offset the horrible history you speak of? I can't wait to here this. Send money to parts of the world? Rebuild cities and countries? We already do that. Travel around the world apologizing, oh sorry, just did that and it helped a lot.

Maybe we just wallow in our history, talk bad about how horrible our county is and try to run it in the ground as fast as we can, like you and anniebelle?

July 13, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Troll,

Are you mad? LOL!

All you do is whine, Jackie. If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

July 13, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

lightsleeper: Again, shut the fuc# up. Such thin skin the liberal child. If you like paying taxes so much, then by all means cut them a check. What a crybaby as#hole!

July 13, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Chattman,

We can't offset our history.

What does sending money to parts of the world have to do with our history? We rebuild cities we tore down in war.

The best thing any of us can do to attempt to reconcile our history is to become aware of it and recognize the faults and ugly parts of our history.

I've never said anything this country being "horrible" nor have I tried to run it in the ground.

We should be aware of our history. If you ignore it, it will repeat itself.

July 13, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

You're a child.

Internet tough talker. LOL! I guess that's what you resort to when you have nothing intelligent to say. Oh wait, you never have anything intelligent to say. That's why you try to curse people out on the internet all the time.

July 13, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

What are you? Knower of all things?

All you do is whine, Jackie. If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

Have you bought that coffin yet?

It must be your nappy time, grab your binkie and blankie and go!

You bathe in ignorance. You're far to brainwashed to believe facts.

I'm not a hypocrite but you sure are a dumbass

Just a few niceties from the comment page dickhead sleasy.

Go ahead and post all of mine too as#hole, It'll never change the fact that you'll always be a dickhead!

July 13, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

I already pay taxes, your the most stupid ignorant childish person to ever post a comment, I'll never shut up, you don't run the free press, but you shure run off at you stupid mouth, now...tell your mammy to shut up

July 13, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

LOL! In which of those quotes did I attempt to curse anyone out?

Once again, you're a child. An ignorant, whiny little child. Have you stopped beating your wife?

July 13, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Oh and by the way toes, or should I say hoe, I think you will be reported...shut that up.

July 13, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Conservatives believe USA is richest country in world because we earned it. Liberals believe because we stole it." - J_D

JD, if by "earned it" you mean how the the early explorers and settlers completely destroyed the native Americans in the most barbaric ways, through genocide, rape, enslavement, torture, spreading of disease which they brought with them, and finally rounding up the few remaining tribes and forcing them off their land, to walk hundreds of miles, many of them dying and suffering miserably along the way, to live out the rest of their lives in utter degradation on barren parcels of land....then, yes, we "earned it."

And if by "earned it," you mean how, after the dust was settled from the native American carnage and after the Revolution, we built this land on the backs of an entire race of people, with their free labor, whom we enslaved, beat, treated worse than animals, and, even in our Constitution designated as 3/5 of a person....well, yes, we "earned it."

Coming from you and your neo-con mindset, why am I not surprised by your skewed definition of what "earned" is? Even today you worship and praise the greed of the fat cats and think that's simply "the American way." To you, theft and even murdering innocent people in unjustified and illegal wars is good, as long as you wave your flag and call it good ol' American "exceptionalism."

You conservatives not only can't see the difference between "earned" and "stole," but you think that your God actually sanctioned and blessed us for doing it - that he was right there with us, every step of the way. Yeah...good ol' American exceptionalism. Bad asses...and proud of it. Let's put on a Bocephus song and yell yee-haw...Amairka...ain't we great?!

July 13, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Lightsaber: again, shut the fuc# up. You obviously don't pay enough taxes, there's still people who have less than you do. Now off you go needledick!

July 13, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Wife? the way toes whine and get his panties in a wad...he don't have a wife...he got a husband

July 13, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Rickaroo,

Great post!

lightkeeper,

I was thinking more along the lines of a goat or sheep. Maybe even a small donkey.

July 13, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

I'm not trying to make a case for wallowing in the wrongs of our history, but you teabaggers won't even acknowledge them. Worse yet, you just act like it was all part of God's divine "plan." Disgusting.

July 13, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

YEEE HAAAWW rickaroo! And just how the hee haw did the Indians get the land!! They raped, pillaged and plundered each other for hundreds of years for it too! They constantly fought each other for it! If you don't like "good ol' American exceptionalism" then by all means, go find a nation that suits you better.

July 13, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

You make yourself look dumber and dumber.

What does Native American in-fighting have to do with us?

July 13, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You're right about one thing rickaroo. I truly believe that YOU were evolved from apes. And it shows. Two monkeys in the woods for you.

July 13, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Shut up toes, you whine like a little bit_ _h, your kind is what makes conservatives look like a bunch of chicken banging freaks

July 13, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Humans evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees. Your ignorance is pitiful.

July 13, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickaroo, Easy, and your ilk. Most of us know about our nation'a history, warts and all. You kids are just now learning about it so it's all new to you, ergo you think you're the first to know. We acknowledge past sins, but we don't wallow in them. Get over yourselves. The problems with you southpaws is that YOU REALLY THINK YOU HAVE THE HIGH MORAL GROUND. Bulletin, bulletin, you don't. You guys are the heart and soul of the hate America first brigade. What are either of you two turds doing RIGHT NOW to address our country's past indiscretions? Hmmmm? I'll tell you...you're not doing squat because there's nothing you can do about it. but hate. Progressives my ass.

July 13, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Native Americans" aren't really "native". Most scientists believe They came from Siberia. They Eventually broke off into tribes that didn't see eye to eye on certain things. They didn't just live in peace and harmony like you think they did. They constantly tried to kill each other off to have everything for themselves. Along comes the Europeans and they did the same thing that the Indians were already doing. Except the Europeans did it better than they did.

If you don't think that's how it all went down, send the memo.

July 13, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Why do you feel that your age gives you an upper hand on knowledge? Just because you're an old bastard doesn't mean you are better. No one cares if you learned this stuff first. You don't even like knowledge. You resent it.

None of this is hate. It is an acute awareness of our history. The same history that you don't acknowledge. The same history that you don't include when you mention how "rich" and great America is. If you want to bitch and moan about us telling it like it is, then go right ahead. All you do is whine anyway. But you aren't doing yourself any favors by being ignorant. You haven't acknowledged any past sins. You have clearly omitted them.

I address our country's past indiscretions every day. I address them by not being an ignorant bigot like you.

July 13, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Easy, maybe YOUR family is part chimpanze. That can explain alot about you.

July 13, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Yes, they are native. Just because they migrated from Siberia doesn't make them not native.

No one said they lived in peace and harmony. But they all weren't the blood thirsty savages you make them out to be.

By your logic, since the Native Americans were fighting each other, we had to right to kill them and take their land. Are you really that ignorant and morally bankrupt? Obviously. It's psychotic how people like you can reconcile even the most egregious evils to yourself. Now tell us all how slavery was ok! You're an IDIOT.

July 13, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

NOW HERE THIS!! EASY SAY WHINE 30 TIMES ........WHILE WHINING!!

July 13, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
anniebelle said...

zab, I know how the GOP holds our veterans in contempt and praise those draft-dodging cowards -- George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Ted Nugent, Mitt Romney (prissing all over France to avoid serving his country). All the while holding real heroes in contempt – Max Clelland who left three limbs in Vietnam, John Kerry, a decorated hero, Tammy Duckworth, who lost both legs while flying a blackhawk helicopter in that illegal war in Iraq and that was started by two cowardly draft dodgers, her service called into question by that deadbeat dad, Joe Walsh. You put on your Chinese made American flag and think you’re supporting the troops. What a joke and a coward you are.

July 13, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

@Jack Dummy..thats the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life, some conservatives are the ones that try to tell everybody whats moral with your noses all up in the air looking down on people. Go fix your girlfriend Toes some lunch or something

July 13, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Your ignorance is showing.

No one is "part" chimpanzee. Humans have evolved from a common ancestor with chimps.

I'm not whining, bitch boy. That's your MO.

July 13, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

IT WASN'T THEIR LAND!! IF THEY WERE "NATIVES" THEN SO WERE WE!! THAT'S LIKE SAYING THE FIRST PERSON IN THE RESTAURANT IN THE MORNING OWNS THE PLACE!! YOU ARE AS DENSE AS LEAD!! WHAT A FREAKIN' MORON!!

July 13, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Toes evolved from slime out of a septic tank, and boy does it smell and show.

July 13, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You whine all day long tiny tot! It's ALL you do!! ....

July 13, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

I bet thats what you tell your husband

July 13, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

That's not an applicable comparison whatsoever. There was no one on the land before the Native Americans. They settled there. Many generations were born there. That makes them 'native'. Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! You are a DUMBASS.

July 13, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

What's worse skirtpeeper, septic slime of monkey ass? Monkey ass is forever.

July 13, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Wow, after reading some of these posts, I think Jack's comment was spot-on. You guys are the heart and soul of the hate America first brigade.

Easy, to answer your question, Jack, "Why do you feel that your age gives you an upper hand on knowledge?

It's experience, Easy, when you get some you'll understand.

July 13, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

anniebelle: Please don't lump John Kerry in with any group of heroes.

Easy: You're consistent with the name calling. Must be a generational thing.

TOES: Those pesky Siberians stole the land from the animals. Bastuds.

July 13, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Just remember little children, when it starts to itch down there, it's only the pubes coming in.

July 13, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I'd still like to know which one of easy's relatives was having sex with monkeys. There's GOT to be a law against that kind of behavior.

July 13, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

chattman,

Experience means nothing when you are talking about historical knowledge. I don't know why you think you own knowledge just because you are older but you don't. You're trying to argue from authority but your only "authority" is your age. It's a logical fallacy.

And you are the heart and soul of the bitch, moan, lie, misinform, BS, whine brigade.

July 13, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Toes is a retard, he overlooks the fact that his kind massacured the native americans, lynched and raped slaves, and every other kind of abomonation and then want to sit up and talk sh_t, and then again it just may be PMS

July 13, 2012 at 11:11 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

You're consistent with the ignorance. Must be a Jack_Dennis thing.

Toes,

The only person having intercourse with any animals was your mother. The videos are all over the Internet.

July 13, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Jack, the real world will eat these two neophytes alive. Don't worry, that sound you hear is just easy clacking away to look yp the word neophyte.

July 13, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

The "real world"? Where were we living before we got into the "real world"? It's all senseless babble from you, Toes.

July 13, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Shut up toes....the clacking is your high hills you a little think you know it all bit_ch

July 13, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Easy, what are you doing looking at animal porn on the internet? By the way, was YOUR mother easy as 123? She must have been to let a monkey have it. Now go have your late morning banana before it turns brown.

Crapheaper, you're such an ill-informed little liberal. Who the hell are you? Albert Schweitzer? No clue pup.

July 13, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

LOL! Are you admitting that such a video exists?

LMAO!!!

July 13, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"IT WASN'T THEIR LAND!! IF THEY WERE 'NATIVES' THEN SO WERE WE!!" - TOES

Of course the native Americans all migrated from elswhere but they had been living on their various lands throughout North America for thousands of years before our European forefathers arrived. I would say that they had been here long enough for them to call the land they lived on their own. And of course the various tribes fought amongst themeselves and indeed were brutal in their warfare. And many of the tribes did not accept the coming of the Europeans peacefully. But the fact is that even the peaceful tribes - and there were many - who welcomed the arrival of the white colonists and actually helped them and educated them as to how to grow food and survive the harsh winters were looked upon as godless savages, unclean and lower than animals; and the settlers felt justified in killing them if for no other reason than they were "godless."

To this day we still have the uniquely American mindset that we are better than other nations simply because God is on our side, or because our God is the real God and theirs is not. Rather than respecting the ways of other nations, treating them as equals, and learning from them, we instinctively feel that we are superior and we need to teach them the "American way." Our pride is a false pride and in the end it will be our undoing. Actually, it is pretty much undoing us already.

July 13, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

@hoes Toes, One would expect a in denial stupid response such as that from you

July 13, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

easy your moms basement doesn't count as the real world. I happen to know people in law school, they study all the time. Your full of banana.

littlepeeper, I knew more in my first 30 years than you'll ever know. Liberalism has warped your mind of reality.

July 13, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

@ hoes toes, I would believe you if you took the zero off that 30, and just left the 3.

July 13, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

My mom doesn't have a basement.

It's the summer. School isn't in session. And you're lying about knowing people in law school. No one with any intelligence would claim you as an acquaintance.

Would you like to try again?

July 13, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

@ Toes, you of all people should be really wanting Obamacare as you righties call it so you can get a sex change operation ...using my taxes

July 13, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lightkeeper: And here I was thinking Easy was the dumbest mope on here. Then you came along.

July 13, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
daver said...

No surprise a lefty like Clay Bennett doesn't mind saddling the middle class with that Monstrosity.

July 13, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
mymy said...

Re: Obama Interview with Charlie Rose

He continued, "It's funny - when I ran, everybody said, well he can give a good speech but can he actually manage the job? And in my first two years, I think the notion was, 'Well, he's been juggling and managing a lot of stuff, but where's the story that tells us where he's going?' And I think that was a legitimate criticism."

Honing in on Mr. Obama's assessment that the role of the presidency is "also to tell a story to the American people," Mitt Romney issued a sharply worded statement.

"President Obama believes that millions of Americans have lost their homes, their jobs and their livelihood because he failed to tell a good story," the presumptive Republican nominee said. "Being president is not about telling stories. Being president is about leading, and President Obama has failed to lead. No wonder Americans are losing faith in his presidency."

His spokesman Ryan Williams also leaped at the opportunity to critique the president's comments, saying, "The President continues to demonstrate that he is completely out of touch with U.S. economic reality. He believes the private sector is doing fine and the economy is headed in the right direction, the 23 million Americans out of work could hardly disagree more."

LOL: Obama has done a Great Job of telling the America People a story of LIES! Hard to believe anybody with the least bit of commensense cannot to see through this man and his Tall Misleading Tales, then I read the left comments on this site! Geez!

July 13, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: The utter gullibility of the left is astounding.

July 13, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@ Jack Dummy...I hope you don't think your an Einstien with your riduculous views and conservative comments, nothing makes sense to you if its not going along with your point of view.

July 13, 2012 at 2 p.m.
daver said...

Which story would that be? All his heroic tales from academia.? His story has been told the last 4 years, and it's a horror story!

July 13, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lightweightkeeper: It's you're not your. And no, I don't pretend to be Norman Einstein. (not Einstien) Study up, Bunky.

July 13, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
anniebelle said...

THU JUL 12, 2012 AT 11:52 AM PDT You Know Who Else Has or Had Swiss Bank Accounts? Kim Jong-il Hosni Mubarak Bahsar Assad Saddam Hussein Omar al-Bashir Islam Karimov Robert Mugabe Osama bin Laden Augusto Pinochet Slobodan Milosevic Ferdinand Marcos

July 13, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

Would you like to elaborate or are you being vague intentionally to give yourself an out?

July 13, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@Jack Dummy...sense your smart enough to try to correct me, why don't you use that so called intellegence on everything else? probably because you can't, you probably used a dictionary.

July 13, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
raygunz said...

mymy said.."LOL: Obama has done a Great Job of telling the America People a story of LIES! Hard to believe anybody with the least bit of commensense cannot to see through this man and his Tall Misleading Tales, then I read the left comments on this site! Geez!"

Here's an Obama story you won't want to hear;

Here are the top five ways the Republicans have sabotaged the economic recovery ,

  1. Filibustering the American Jobs Act. Last October, Senate Republicans killed a jobs bill proposed by President Obama that would have pumped $447 billion into the economy. Multiple economic analysts predicted the bill would add around two million jobs and hailed it as defense against a double-dip recession. The Congressional Budget Office also scored it as a net deficit reducer over ten years, and the American public supported the bill.

  2. Stonewalling monetary stimulus. The Federal Reserve can do enormous good for a depressed economy through more aggressive monetary stimulus, and by tolerating a temporarily higher level of inflation. But with everything from Ron Paul’s anti-inflationary crusade to Rick Perry threatening to lynch Chairman Ben Bernanke, Republicans have browbeaten the Fed into not going down this path. Most damagingly, the GOP repeatedly held up President Obama’s nominations to the Federal Reserve Board during the critical months of the recession, leaving the board without the institutional clout it needed to help the economy.(cont.)

July 13, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
raygunz said...
  1. Threatening a debt default. Even though the country didn’t actually hit its debt ceiling last summer, the Republican threat to default on the United States’ outstanding obligations was sufficient to spook financial markets and do real damage to the economy.

  2. Cutting discretionary spending in the debt ceiling deal. The deal the GOP extracted as the price for avoiding default imposed around $900 billion in cuts over ten years. It included $30.5 billion in discretionary cuts in 2012 alone, costing the country 0.3 percent in economic growth and 323,000 jobs, according to estimates from the Economic Policy Institute. Starting in 2013, the deal will trigger another $1.2 trillion in cuts over ten years.

  3. Cutting discretionary spending in the budget deal. While not as cataclysmic as the debt ceiling brinksmanship, Republicans also threatened a shutdown of the government in early 2011 if cuts were not made to that year’s budget. The deal they struck with the White House cut $38 billion from food stamps, health, education, law enforcement, and low-income programs among others, while sparing defense almost entirely.(cont.)

July 13, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
raygunz said...

There have also been a few near-misses, in which the GOP almost prevented help from coming to the economy. The Republicans in the House delayed a transportation bill that saved as many as 1.9 million jobs. House Committees run by the GOP have passed proposals aimed at cutting billions from food stamps, and the party has repeatedly threatened to kill extensions of unemployment insurance and cuts to the payroll tax.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, those policies — the payroll tax cut, food stamps, unemployment insurance, and discretionary spending for low-income Americans — have the highest multipliers, meaning more job boosting potential per dollar.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/06/511940/5-ways-republicans-sabotaged-job-growth/?mobile=nc

July 13, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
anniebelle said...

zab, wrong again. I love this country, and know what it actually should be, and don’t want it taken over by right-wing, un-American nuts such as yourself. Democratic presidents have given this country a start toward a real democracy and the right-wing projects their loathing for all that is good about this country onto us that are willing to stand up for our beliefs. For over 30 years, Republicans have been trying to undo all that’s good about this country starting with Roger Ailes, a media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign (1989), pumping the uninformed with hate and lies via Faux News and now these hate spewers, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity who show their contempt daily for our republic and all the good we’ve achieved and make millions off their hate talk. And now, Dick (war criminal) Cheney is proclaiming that Mitt is the only one that can protect us from another attack like we had on his watch. Yes, Bush, Cheney and Condi sitting on the porch at the brush ranch reading the Daily Briefing “Bin Laden to attach the U.S. with planes”. They were really on top of things now weren’t they. This is the type of national security you want to put in place?

July 13, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.

Anniebelle I guess you've changed my mind. NOT! Laughable. I hear Condi Rice might be at the top of Romney's list. Fine by me. I'd pay good cash money to see Rice debate Obama, if that ever could happen. She'd slice and dice that socialist fool like a sausage.

July 13, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

zableedo: You're wasting your breath on anniebelle. She is waaaay past the point of redemption.

July 13, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Zab,

Why would a VP candidate ever debate the President?

Rice received criticism from the Right and Left during here time as Secretary of State and National Security Advisor. It's only "fine" by you because you think it will help win Romney some female and African American votes.

But, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Rice doesn't want the job.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/condoleezza-rice-stands-vp-prospects-no-way-181823611.html

July 13, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Yep, I agree raygunz... if it ain't working with Obama in there, we need to get him out.

July 13, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
Leaf said...

Romney's VP checklist:

Condoleeza Rice

Black - check Female - check Hispanic - DANG! Keep looking.

July 13, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Choosing Condi would make a fully pro-choice R ticket

July 13, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
mymy said...

Another sneaky Obama move:

"Republicans are accusing the Obama administration of unilaterally gutting welfare reform after the Department of Health and Human Services quietly notified states that they may seek a waiver for the program's strict work requirements."............

...."This ends welfare reform as we know it," Camp said in a statement.

"I'm disappointed that after years of sitting on their hands and failing to propose any significant improvements to the TANF programs, the Obama Administration is once again over-stepping their authority and attempting to circumvent Congress through an unprecedented bypass of the legislative process," Hatch said

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/13/republicans-accuse-hhs-gutting-welfare-reform-with-quiet-policy-change/#ixzz20XuulBdi

July 13, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
conservative said...

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

July 13, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Dwight D. Eisenhower

Add in the financial complex, and the agriculture complex, and the energy complex, for good measure.

July 13, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbs: And you lefties think the right has conspiracy theories. Bwahahahaha

July 13, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.

What theory? Lobbying is well-documented, and it's shown to pay off at 30-1 levels.

Heck, just take a look at a little group called ALEC.

And if you don't believe in it, then I expect you to repudiate the accusations by right-wingers of such influence on the Obama Administration.

Not that I'd call it a conspiracy, that would require more directed organization. It's just a matter of behavior.

July 13, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Republicans think an aborted fetus is voter suppression.

July 13, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

voter suppression is not the mantra of the repubs. pretty sure the dems have that corner locked up.

July 13, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "The case was Hornbeck Offshore Services LLC v. Salazar. Please take note of the fact that the Obama Administration was not held in contempt. Kenneth Lee "Ken" Salazar, the United States Secretary of the Interior, was the sole named defendant in that case."

"And, in case you were not aware of it, that specific case has yet to be settled. It is on the docket to be heard in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans, Louisiana, on August 8, 2012."

Here is what U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman said in his ruling. Department regulators acted with “determined disregard” by lifting and reinstituting a series of policy changes that restricted offshore drilling, following the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history, U.S. District Judge, Martin Feldman of New Orleans ruled yesterday.

“Each step the government took following the court’s imposition of a preliminary injunction showcases its defiance,” Feldman said in the ruling.

“Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the re- imposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium, and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government’s contempt,” Feldman said.

Feldman also ordered the government to pay the legal fees of Hornbeck Offshore Services LLC, which filed the initial lawsuit. The company had described the fees as “significant.”

Al, Ken Salazar is part of Obama's administration and they were in contempt of court.

July 13, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
conservative said...

In today's Local section :

"Police kill rampaging chimp after Las Vegas escape"

I guess the usual heathens are in mourning for a relative.

July 13, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

I guess the usual idiots are still denying evolution. Your ignorance is palpable.

July 13, 2012 at 8:18 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Do any of you know what is in this bill?"

Yes, but you obviously don't know what is in the bill and you certainly have not read it, or you would know that your copy and past submission is a complete pack of lies.

Here is the link to the copy of the bill that your post is based upon;

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200ih.pdf

Now that we are on the same page, so to speak, let's go through these lies one by one:

"pg272 no cancer treatment after age 76."

Please, scroll down to page 272. You will find that section 1145 is very simple. It calls for a study to determine if hospitals that specialize in cancer treatment are more expensive than general hospitals, offering the same kinds of cancer treatments that speciality hospitals do.

"pg 58 & 59 access to bank account and authority to make electric transfers."

This section, titled, "SEC. 1173A. -- STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS," calls for a system where health plan beneficiary identification cards can be swiped electronically to determine whether the provider is within the patient's network, how much the provider will be paid by their insurer, the patient's co-pay amount due, and it will then automatically transfer payment from the insurer to the medical provider upon conclusion of the visit.

It does not authorize access to a patient's private bank account.

"pg 50 section 164 all non-residents willbe covered."

Page 50, which hosts Section 152 -- PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE, does not even broach the issue of non-residents or illegal immigrants, however, if you will scroll down to page 143 and read SECTION 246 -- NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

"pg65 section 164, plan will be subsidized ( by government) for all union members and union retirees,and community organizations."

SECTION 164 -- REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES.

This section offers ANY and ALL employers that provide health insurance benefits to retirees, who do not qualify for Social Security and Medicare benefits, a partial and temporary reimbursement for payments under qualified plans.

There is no preference given to any employer, under any criteria, association, committee, or board.

(To be cont.)

July 13, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

"pg 203 line 14& 15 tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.( wonder who thought up that one.)"

These two lines are found in "SECTION 59C -- SURCHARGE ON HIGH INCOME INDIVIDUALS."

Lines 13 through 18 read, "(4) NOT TREATED AS TAX IMPOSED BY THIS CHAPTER FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES. — The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55."

"pg 272 section 1145 cancer hospitals will ration care according to patients age."

Ah...back to page 272. There is absolutely no mention of any treatment "rationing," nor any mention of any "age" restrictions whatsoever. This section only calls for a cost study between hospitals that provide specialized cancer treatment to other hospitals that offer similar treatments.

"pg 241 & 253 doctors will be paid the same regardless of specialty and Government will set all doctors fees."

These two pages pertain to sub-sections contained in DIVISION B -- MEDICARE AND MEDICAID IMPROVEMENTS.

Payment for fee arrangements to Physicians have always been set by Medicare. These two pages do not pertain to patients who are not insured under Medicare, nor does this section pertain to payments to Physicians by private insurers.

"And weather you like it or not congress is exempt."

Beginning in January 1, 2014, members of Congress and their staff will only be offered health care plans offered through health care exchanges set forth in the final bill -- H.R. 3590 -- passed by Congress on December 24, 2009.

"they are also exempt from Social security. If they wern't they would fix it."

Members of Congress have paid Social Security taxes since January 1, 1984. The Civil Service Retirement System was closed to new Federal Government employees hired after December 31, 1983.

Every member of Congress pays 6.2% of their income into Social Security. If they opt into the Federal Employees Retirement System, they also pay 1.3% of their income into the now retired Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund.

Pensions paid to members of Congress are about half of what they were prior to 1984, averaging $36,732 annually

July 13, 2012 at 9:59 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, Ken Salazar is part of Obama's administration and they were in contempt of court."

I again state that the case has not been settled yet. There is a contempt ruling, but it is being appealed. If that ruling stands, then you will be correct, and the only person ruled in contempt was Ken Slazar.

You're certainly free to lump the President in there if it makes you warm and fuzzy, but no mention of the man or any other person within his Administration was ever mentioned in the case.

That aside, why don't you wait to see if Feldman's ruling is overturned next month before you start hopping up and down and continue to swing your bat at the President's head?

If Feldman's ruling is overturned, Salazar's contempt ruling will be no more, and no legal fees will have to be paid by the Government to Hornbeck Offshore Services, LLC.

Let's both be watching to see what takes place on August the 8th.

July 13, 2012 at 10:17 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Here’s the real ‘death panels’. On Monday evening, Rep. David Dreier (R-CA) said that insurance companies should be allowed to discriminate against people with brain tumors during a House Rules Committee debate of the GOP’s bill repealing the Affordable Care Act. The law, which Republicans will vote to eliminate on Wednesday, includes a provision prohibiting insurance companies from turning away sick people. But Dreier suggested that these individuals would be better off enrolling in state-based “high-risk insurance pools,” that could offer coverage to the individuals who are turned away from the individual health care market because they are too costly to cover. It’s o.k. for us to spend millions and millions on his health care and that of that draft-dodging, war criminal Cheney, who would have been dead a long time ago had it not been for him sucking on the government tit, but us peons don’t deserve that type of health care.

July 14, 2012 at 5:53 a.m.
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