published Sunday, July 22nd, 2012

Probable Cause

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Nah, he's just bipartisan.

July 22, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
raygunz said...

Hey,is that car headed toward Big Ridge?? HEH!

July 22, 2012 at 1:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Hoo boy...

Drunk? Probably not. On drugs? Naw...

Driving while brainwashed?

You betcha!

July 22, 2012 at 3:38 a.m.
alprova said...

This seemed relevant to today's subject:

"Wealth doesn't trickle down – it just floods offshore, new research reveals"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/offshore-wealth-global-economy-tax-havens?newsfeed=true

July 22, 2012 at 3:47 a.m.
alprova said...

"Mitt Romney Gets Busted Buying Twitter Followers"

http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romney-busted-buying-twitter-followers.html

July 22, 2012 at 4:02 a.m.
Reardon said...

AL -- along with your reporting of the moving away of assets, I'd begin asking yourself WHY that is, and HOW nations can encourage keeping THEIR assets (not yours) within their nation.

July 22, 2012 at 5:48 a.m.
EaTn said...

This toon is a caption of Romney's "Motor tour of America" to try to erase the memories of all those left-wing antics he did while Governor of Massachusetts.

July 22, 2012 at 6:24 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And on the President's limo:

No tax hike for those making under $250,000 per year.

Negotiations will be on C-Span.

Stimulus will keep joblessness under 8%.

Obamacare will increase demand and cut cost at the same time without tackling behaviors and without death panels.

You can keep your current insurance if you want to.

The most transparent administration in history.

We have no deficit solution ourselves, nor ever plan to, but we don't like yours.

He's not drunk, he's not stupid, he has failed (1) because he's trying to make liberalism work, which is like trying to make pigs fly, and (2) he's ignored, as Bush ignored, how libertarian Jesus Christ, the President of presidents, is. Repent or perish.

July 22, 2012 at 6:56 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Rmoney won't even follow his own church's teachings of thou shalt not lie. I love the way you Xtians cherry pick what you want out of your fairy tale book. He is an abomination and wants to invest his massive wealth in other countries. How is that being an American. Is he running for First Lady? Why is he squawking about Theresa Kerry's tax returns?

July 22, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
limric said...

Good cartoon again Clay. You missed one important bumper sticker though, "keep you government hands off my Medicare"

July 22, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
anniebelle said...

As a point of fact before the uninformed start chiming in, Theresa Kerry did release two years of her tax returns (unprecedented) and John Kerry 20 years. He released them everytime he ran for senator. We didn't even get a full year from Rmoney. What's he hiding? It must be a biggie.

July 22, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
joneses said...

Hugo Chavez, the communist dictator in Venezuela supports Hussein Obama as well as the muslim extremist including the terrorist organizations Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, the Castros support Hussein Obama as well as noted communist Bill Ayers and the communist/socialist Unions. Jeremiah Wright who hates America as well as the hate monger Louis Farrakhan and the race baiters Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. As well as most of the people in America who choose not to work and live in poverty by depending on handouts from the government. What does this tell you people?

July 22, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "AL -- along with your reporting of the moving away of assets, I'd begin asking yourself WHY that is, and HOW nations can encourage keeping THEIR assets (not yours) within their nation."

I don't need to ask myself a thing. The obvious answer is that greed and selfishness are the two core reasons that people do this.

Encouraging people to keep their assets within their respective nations is simple.

Demand they retrieve those assets, pay up the tab, or deport them for being the traitors that they are, and never allow to come home again.

Problem solved.

July 22, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
alprova said...

jonses, you really need to get a grip on reality. You can start by taking those meds that are meant to keep you from floating away, that you refuse to keep taking.

July 22, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
mymy said...

Alpo: You are the one on some serious mind altering drug!

July 22, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
joneses said...

alprova

That is a stupid comment. Did Hussein Obama visit Chavez and they both exposed their friendship? Did Hussein Obama let the Muslim brotherhood visit the White House? did Hussein Obama give millions to Hamas? Does Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton support Hussein Obama? did Louis Farrakhan call Hussein Obama The "Messiah"? Does Jeremiah Wright support Hussein Obama and said GD America? Are Hussein Obama and Bill Ayers friends? The answer to all these questions is "yes". Because the answer is yes to all these questions you look more stupid than you have in the past. You cannot deny any of these as you know they are true which make your comment more stupid.

July 22, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
annisisbell said...

The definition of crazy is when you keep doing the same things over and over and keep getting the same results. Why would anyone support either major party?

http://american3rdposition.com/

July 22, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
rosebud said...

Wow, it must get old drawing the same basic cartoon, over and over....

July 22, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
anniebelle said...

It's just an average week down there in Crazy Town. And that lends a certain context to a tidbit brought to national attention last week by Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report." Meaning a plank from the 2012 platform of the Republican Party of Texas which, astonishingly enough, reads as follows: "We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

July 22, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
anniebelle said...

tu-jerque, I stand corrected, I will always admit when my facts are wrong. He's released 2010 and a partial from 2011. President Obama has released 10 years and Rmoney's own father released 12 years so as to not have a fluke of "just one or two years" tax returns.

July 22, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "I don't need to ask myself a thing. The obvious answer is that greed and selfishness are the two core reasons that people do this."

So, how do you feel about GE CEO Jeff Immeltt who has outsourced a ton of jobs to China including the closing of a plant in Wisconsion and relocating the plant and creating jobs in China. I guess when Obama named Immeltt to his Economic Advisory Council, Obama forgot to tell Immeltt the goal was to create jobs in this country.

Al said "Encouraging people to keep their assets within their respective nations is simple."

You need to first encourage Obama since he has invested his money in mutual funds that are involved with U.S. companies operating overseas. Obama is quick to jump on companies that outsource overseas but he has no problem investing in them to build up his own profolio. Al, are you doing the samething? If so, stop being a hypocrite and stop investing in those companies Al.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-has-investments-in-companies-that-ship-jobs-overseas/article/2502361

July 22, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
Reardon said...

Al, considering you're a self-admitted Socialist, I figured you'd be unable to dialogue in an actual discussion/debate, as opposed to resorting to reactionary nonsense.

Taking your argument into context, nothing shoots a thrill up the leg of a Capitalist than making more money, right?

So, following your logic, someone with "greed" or "selfishness" with their money would want the opportunity to make more money, right, as opposed to letting it sit there and get eaten away by inflation, AND being at constant political risk seeing their capital is abroad. Am I wrong?

The solution is to create legislation to ENCOURAGE those selfish, bastard Capitalists to bring back their money and invest it in the economy.

July 22, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lefties: What do you suppose Romney is hiding from you, but NOT from the IRS? Your naivety is astounding.

July 22, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wh-and-dnc-admit-that-2009-stimulus-spent-money-to-create-jobs-overseas/article/2501888

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/obama-stimulus-money-spent-overseas/story?id=10002592#.UAwHZ7RVJhc

http://factcheck.org/2012/05/stimulus-money-for-jobs-overseas/

In fact, Obama's "stimulus" money went to Finland and Denmark to the tune of $28 billion. Where is the outrage from the left! Romney uses private money and it just pisses the left off. Obama uses our tax money and they remain silent. Again, liberal hypocrisy.

July 22, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
rick1 said...

Reardon, Al has said that he owns his own company, I bet he does not think he is greedy when he makes a profit.

July 22, 2012 at 10 a.m.
anniebelle said...

tu_jerque, if you think some two-bit chump like is going to intimidate me from trying to preserve what is left of democracy in this republic, think again, punk. Remember, pride goeth before a fall.

July 22, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

anniebelle: Are you exhibiting some of your "critical thinking" skills on here? Bwahahahaha

July 22, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Mitt Romney was just executed by Steven Rattner.

July 22, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "So, how do you feel about GE CEO Jeff Immeltt who has outsourced a ton of jobs to China including the closing of a plant in Wisconsion and relocating the plant and creating jobs in China."

It's funny that you should mention that. I ran across an article about that very issue on Friday.

http://www.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2012/07/manufacturing-debunking-the-myths-about-outsourcing-ge-invests-/

"I guess when Obama named Immeltt to his Economic Advisory Council, Obama forgot to tell Immeltt the goal was to create jobs in this country."

I guess not.

"You need to first encourage Obama since he has invested his money in mutual funds that are involved with U.S. companies operating overseas."

Really? All of his money, or is it just part of it?

"Obama is quick to jump on companies that outsource overseas but he has no problem investing in them to build up his own profolio."

As Mitt Romney likes to point out, there is a big difference between a company that outsources their operations, and one that off-shores its operations.

I'm willing to be that if you look a little closer, you will find that many, if not all of the companies included the Vanguard 500 Index Fund are among companies that have operations right here at home.

"Al, are you doing the samething?"

You betcha. About 25% of my portfolio is invested in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund.

"If so, stop being a hypocrite and stop investing in those companies Al."

How am I being hypocritical? There are very few companies out there have pulled up all their roots in this country and import all they sell to U.S. consumers. There's nothing at all wrong with picking up a few dollars based on the manufacturing and sales of products to consumers in other nations.

The only two companies mentioned in your linked article in regard to the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, were Apple and General Electric. The myths regarding GE are debunked above. Regarding Apple, that too is easily debunked.

http://www.apple.com/about/job-creation/

July 22, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

alpo loves to see his own keystrokes

July 22, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
joneses said...

Why would someone not move money off shore? If I was in a country run by Hussein Obama or Hugo Chavez i would put my money somewhere safe from them confiscating it for their own personal use. It only makes sense the Kennedy's, Gores, Buffet, Pelosi, Kerry and others put their money off shore.

July 22, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "Al, considering you're a self-admitted Socialist, I figured you'd be unable to dialogue in an actual discussion/debate, as opposed to resorting to reactionary nonsense."

I'm not a total Socialist, because I absolutely see the need for a mixture of both Capitalism and Socialism, but okay, let's see where this goes.

"Taking your argument into context, nothing shoots a thrill up the leg of a Capitalist than making more money, right?"

That would seem to be the case, but just for the record, Socialists like to make more money too. Most of us work for a living as well.

"So, following your logic, someone with "greed" or "selfishness" with their money would want the opportunity to make more money, right, as opposed to letting it sit there and get eaten away by inflation, AND being at constant political risk seeing their capital is abroad. Am I wrong?"

I'm surprised to see that you didn't include IRS taxation as a main concern of those who off-shore a great portion of their wealth, but please...go on.

"The solution is to create legislation to ENCOURAGE those selfish, bastard Capitalists to bring back their money and invest it in the economy."

I have a slightly different take on that idea, or maybe we are in total agreement. You don't define what "investing in the economy" entails.

I'm all for allowing people to bring their money back home, and even agree that it would be financially expediant to waive any tax assessments that would normally be a part of it, if they were to invest a percentage of it into businesses that create decent jobs for Americans.

July 22, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

alpo: GE-300,000 employees. More than half of them outside the U.S.-- If you feel you don't pay enough in taxes, by all means cut them a check.-- And what do you want the government to do with all of it's proposed new found money that you want them to have?

And why is a nation full of government dependents so damn appealing to you lefties? Guaranteed future votes perhaps?

July 22, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Joneses, you are THE textbook example of the above quote.

July 22, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
annisisbell said...

Mr Bennett, how about a cartoon regarding the fact that stupid people get to vote and the effect that has upon our nation?

How about a cartoon about how they've gotten rid of all the Anglo Saxon ruling elites and the low-brows have taken over?

July 22, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Never under-estimate the stupidity of the American voter". Our current president is proof positive of that quote.

July 22, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

RELEASE THE RETURNS!

Long winded jack bellowed, "What do you suppose Romney is hiding from you, but NOT from the IRS? Your naivety is astounding."

Way to change the subject, Jack! Did Rush feed you that line? I haven't heard anyone say that Romney was cheating the IRS or doing anything illegal.

It would be legal for Mitt to owe the IRS $0 in any or all of the past 12 years. It would be legal for Mitt to have millions stashed away in Swiss Bank accounts. Also legal to have millions stashed in tax havens around the globe. Perfectly within his rights.

Here's one legal scenario: what if one or more returns showed Romney donating $10 or 20 million to the Mormon Church but not one nickel to Uncle Sam? Based on the one return he released he's paying a lower rate than those other fabulously-well-to-do folks in his own tax bracket.

Here's another legal one: what if his returns showed that Mitt is not just a millionaire, but a (gasp) Billionaire? That might cast him in a less attractive political light, someone even more out of touch with working class voters.

Regardless of the reason(s), the Romney campaign has said that 'you people' have seen enough. The campaign is acting like they are willing to suffer the political damage right now because disclosing more tax returns would be catastrophic in the long run. Don't know if that's true but that explanation has some logic to it. Even fellow republican travelers are bewildered why he won't release any more returns.

Mitt's a very secretive guy. His plan to turn around the economy? Um, tax cuts for the rich and more military spending. His plan to deal with China? Er, tough talk even though he set up lots of businesses over there. His plan for Iran? Duh, invasion?

He hasn't really spelled out anything. All he keeps saying is the economy sucks and it's Obama's fault.

Talk about naive.

July 22, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

blackwater: For the record, haven't listened to Rushbo is years. So what you're saying is, Mitt is rich. The tax returns will prove he's richer than we thought. He donates heavily to his church. He doesn't voluntarily donate to the USofA. The crux of the tax-returns matter is about class warfare. Why not admit it?

July 22, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you forgot to mention about GE closing their U.S. plant that was making light bulbs in Virginia and opening a plant in China to manufacture more expensive light bulbs. General Electric also opened a $61 million factory in Vietnam to produce wind turbine components. General Electric have received over $1.2 billion in stimulus funds

General Electric placed an order with wind turbine manufacturer ATI Casting, but then canceled it in order to get the parts cheaper from China. ATI offered to match the Chinese price, but GE refused to reinstate its order to the U.S. company. So ATI was forced to lay off 302 American workers.

General Electric's x-ray business division in Waukesha, Wis.was closed and relocated to China. This is an ironic development since deputy White House press secretary Josh Earnest reported from Martha’s Vinyard that President Obama and Immelt were discussing how to increase the number of engineers who graduate from U.S. colleges and universities.

Al said "How am I being hypocritical? There are very few companies out there have pulled up all their roots in this country and import all they sell to U.S. consumers. There's nothing at all wrong with picking up a few dollars based on the manufacturing and sales of products to consumers in other nations."

When you and Obama slam U.S. companies for opening operations overseas and then you invest in those companies to increae your portfolio then yes you are being a hypocrite. It is just like when you slam big oil but continue to purchase gasoline and oil base products.

http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2012/07/17/phyllis_schlafly/page/full/

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/178975-reviving-manufacturing-demands-accountability

July 22, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
rick1 said...

jack, here is an article with more lies from the left on Romney's tax returns.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/lying_about_romneys_taxes.html

July 22, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

rick1: Good'un. Imagine anyone giving ANY credibility to Rahm Emanuel. King Thug of an all thug cast.

July 22, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
anniebelle said...

WASHINGTON -- Steve Rattner, President Barack Obama's former car czar, weighed in on Mitt Romney's tax returns Sunday, arguing that the presumptive Republican nominee took advantage of an especially large number of loopholes.

"If you say to your tax people, as he seems to have done, 'I want every trick in the book. I want to push this to the edge,'" Rattner said during an appearance on "Fareed Zakaria GPS" on CNN. "I will tell you that as a private equity guy, I'm familiar with many of the things that he did. And I know many people who have done many of the things that he did. I do not know anyone who did everything that he did."

"Some of what he did, like the IRA, I have asked fellow private equity guys," Rattner said, referencing the account in which Romney has stored up to $100 million tax-free. "None of us had even known this was a possible trick, if you will. He has pushed the envelope all the way to the edge, to his benefit, and I think that Americans would find that pretty distasteful."

Romney has declined to release multiple years' worth of tax returns, disclosing only those from 2010 and estimates from 2011. Rattner called Romney overly secretive Sunday, speculating that he was attempting to hide more instances of using innovative and questionable accounting tricks.

Rattner, who hails from the world of private equity, has occasionally served as a voice of sympathy for Romney as his business career has come under heavy attack. His comments, then, carry a bit more weight than the average criticism from an Obama ally.

July 22, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
anniebelle said...

The little we know of Romney's veiled finances has come to light only after much haranguing by his Republican primary opponents. Even then, he only released his 2010 tax return and estimates for 2011. Unlike his dad, George Romney, who famously released 12 years of returns before his run for president to engender transparency and trust, Mitt doesn't want to share. He wants to run on his record as a wealth-generating businessman while telling us not to follow the money.

What we know is that in 2010 and 2011 Romney and his wife paid a shockingly low income tax rate of about 15 percent -- far lower than what many middle-class American families pay. Mitt Romney gets this deal through an unconscionable tax loophole known as "carried interest," which allows private equity fund and hedge fund partners to claim their earnings as capital gains, taxed at 15 percent rather than the maximum 35 percent for income earned through salaries.

Still, Romney claims he pays all taxes that he legally owes, and his campaign says his overseas assets weren't used as tax shelters. Okay, perhaps, but a well-reported Vanity Fair piece, "Where the Money Lives" by Nicholas Shaxson, suggests that this is not something we should take on faith. For instance, Romney won't disclose the details of his Cayman Islands holdings, including as much as $30 million in at least 12 of the 138 Bain Capital funds that are organized there.

The tax advantages that come with locating a company in the Cayman Islands are so lucrative that 9,000 hedge funds are located there. Foreigners don't face taxes on income, capital gains or profits. The big loser is the U.S. Treasury.

July 22, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Has Romney done anything illegal?

July 22, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: 'Al, you forgot to mention about GE closing their U.S. plant that was making light bulbs in Virginia and opening a plant in China to manufacture more expensive light bulbs. General Electric also opened a $61 million factory in Vietnam to produce wind turbine components. General Electric have received over $1.2 billion in stimulus funds"

The plant in Virginia made incandescent light bulbs. CFL's have always been made in China. Just for the record, there are no more buggy whip manufacturing plants in the US either.

"General Electric placed an order with wind turbine manufacturer ATI Casting, but then canceled it in order to get the parts cheaper from China. ATI offered to match the Chinese price, but GE refused to reinstate its order to the U.S. company. So ATI was forced to lay off 302 American workers."

It is permissable in this country to cancel an order after it has been placed, and to refuse to reinstate it after the customer has placed another one with a cheaper provider.

"General Electric's x-ray business division in Waukesha, Wis.was closed and relocated to China"

This is not true. GE only moved the Headquarters to Beijing, China, taking 4 executives with them, in order to develop medical equipment within that country.

The Waukesha, Wisconsin plant remains open with 120 full time employees still producing medical equipment sold within the U.S.

"When you and Obama slam U.S. companies for opening operations overseas and then you invest in those companies to increae your portfolio then yes you are being a hypocrite."

I have never "slammed" any company out there for opening up operations in another nation, so long as it does not entirely pull up roots in this country and import everything it makes elsewhere, to sell to U.S. consumers.

General Electric has not done that. Apple Computer has not done that either.

"It is just like when you slam big oil but continue to purchase gasoline and oil base products."

That's a whole different subject, but the fundamental truth is that unless I want to walk everywhere I go, I'm kinda forced into purchasing gasoline.

July 22, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

frustrating listening to intractable left wing ideologue hacks.

July 22, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, said "It is permissable in this country to cancel an order after it has been placed, and to refuse to reinstate it after the customer has placed another one with a cheaper provider."

Did you miss the part where ATI offered to match the Chinese price, but GE refused to reinstate its order to the U.S. company. So ATI was forced to lay off 302 American workers?

You are corrct at this time GE has not closed the entire plant and GE says this will not result in the lay offs of the 120 employees still at the plant, but we will have to wiat and see since as much as 25 percent of its X-ray products will be produced in China. GE will also invest $2 billion in China, train five dozen Chinese engineers and create six research centers.

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/12/27/on-the-jobs-front

Al said "I have never "slammed" any company out there for opening up operations in another nation, so long as it does not entirely pull up roots in this country and import everything it makes elsewhere, to sell to U.S. consumers."

Then I expect to never here you make a negative comment about any of these companies having operations overseas with regards to their profits or what they pay in wages, etc.

Al, you can choose to not purchase gasoline. Purchase an electric car and stop using oil base products.

July 22, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
rick1 said...

Even Nancy Pelosi has said it is time to move on from Romney's tax returns.

As recently as Wednesday, Pelosi had strongly urged Romney to provide further disclosure of his tax returns. But today, while maintaining Romney should release more documents because of “custom” and “tradition,” Pelosi said the issue was trivial compared with economic issues.

“We spent too much time on that. We should be talking about middle-income tax cuts,” Pelosi said after answering two questions about the issue.

Nancy has spoken so lets move on.

http://nakeddc.com/2012/07/19/nancy-pelosi-would-prefer-you-stopped-talking-about-this-tax-return-thing/

July 22, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

Why should we move on?

Republicans still haven't moved on from Obama's birth certificate or his college transcripts.

Don't be a whiner. You should want Romney to release his tax returns so this all can go away.

July 22, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

Easy, there is no reason for Romney to release anymore tax returns. If he has committed a criminal act then start an investigation but that does not appear to be the case. This is just more distraction from the democrats to keep everyone's attention off of the economy. Like the article said even Nancy Peolsi doesn't want to make it an issue any more. Maybe she and others in her party are worried about what they have in their returns.

July 22, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy1: How was day-care today?

July 22, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Did you miss the part where ATI offered to match the Chinese price, but GE refused to reinstate its order to the U.S. company. So ATI was forced to lay off 302 American workers?"

No, I didn't miss it, but whether it is an individual or a large corporation, people have the right to change their minds.

To properly criticize whath happened, it would have to be determined how much time had passed from the time that GE canceled its order with ATI and the time that ATI lowered its price.

If it were instantaneous, or within a matter of days, then the criticism is valid. If it were weeks or months later, then that's a different story.

"GE will also invest $2 billion in China, train five dozen Chinese engineers and create six research centers."

And that is a smart business decision for GE. China has a whole lotta people in need of medical care and the equipment needed to diagnose illness.

"Then I expect to never here you make a negative comment about any of these companies having operations overseas with regards to their profits or what they pay in wages, etc."

I again reiterate, that as long as a U.S. company does not pull up all of its roots to relocate in another country, with the goal in mind of importing what it manufactures back to this country, then they have done nothing wrong.

There are many foreign based companies that have located operations in this country, that do so to open up sales opportunities here. They provide many great jobs.

Ahem...Volkswagen.

"Al, you can choose to not purchase gasoline. Purchase an electric car and stop using oil base products."

I would love to be able to do so. An electric car would be perfect for me. I drive less than two miles to and from my place of business and I rarely leave town these days.

The only problem is that the cheapest electric car for sale in this area, costs around $37,000 and change, and even on the easy payment plan and a massive tax credit that would be forthcoming, it represents a luxury item that I cannot afford for now.

Maybe in a couple of years, after they work out all the little kinks in them, and after they hit the used car market, I will revisit that prospect.

July 22, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

President Barack Obama headed to Aurora, Colorado, on Sunday to meet families grieving their losses Friday's mass shooting that has stunned the nation and rekindled debate about guns and violence in America. SHAMELESS PANDERING.

July 22, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
rick1 said...
July 22, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

RICK: There is NO shame.

July 22, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
mymy said...

It is easy to make a decision between bad and worse. This is only one example why not to vote for a Democrat. Enough is never enough. They want it all. Every last dime they can take from a person/business.

http://nation.foxnews.com/death-tax/2012/07/22/daily-caller-senate-dems-outrageous-death-tax-hike

July 22, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_: Sounds about right.

July 22, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo's theory: Taxpayer money overseas = no problem.

Romney's own money overseas = big problem.

July 22, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "I again reiterate, that as long as a U.S. company does not pull up all of its roots to relocate in another country, with the goal in mind of importing what it manufactures back to this country, then they have done nothing wrong."

How do you feel about our trade relations with China? Manufacturers are allowed to produce products in China and sell them to the U.S. but they are not allowed to produce the product in the U.S. and sell it to China. Why doesn't Obama have the will to invoke the WTO rule for trade deficit countries? This is causing our country to lose jobs.

Instead of the Harry Reid, yelling that the U.S. Olympic Team uniforms should be burned because they were made in China, he should be lighting a fire under Obama's ass to get this fixed. That is if they care about encouraging manufacturers to create and keep jobs in this country.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/here_comes_the_made-in-china_cadillac.html

July 22, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
limric said...

Reading the stupidity of today's media inspired diversionary infantilism, I give you today's link:

Watch- if you dare !

July 22, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "How do you feel about our trade relations with China? Manufacturers are allowed to produce products in China and sell them to the U.S. but they are not allowed to produce the product in the U.S. and sell it to China."

Where do you get that idea from? There is a definite trade imbalance, due to an environment that includes some very stiff competition for American sales of products that are also made in China, which are definitely cheaper than those made here.

The average Chinese is rather poor. Even the rich in China do not have a great deal of creature comforts. Most still do not own a motor vehicle. A China made lawnmower costs the average Chinese just $25. A U.S. imported lawnmower costs about $125

While the American built lawnmower is of far better quality, you can wear out a bunch of domestically produced ones before the average Chinese can justify the cost of an American import. The average income in China is about $10,220 a year.

You see the problem in demanding equal trade, don't you?

"Why doesn't Obama have the will to invoke the WTO rule for trade deficit countries? This is causing our country to lose jobs."

Trade with China has been steadily improving since 1999. In 1999 we exported about a sixth of what we imported from China. Last year, the imbalance had been reduced to less than a fourth.

"Instead of the Harry Reid, yelling that the U.S. Olympic Team uniforms should be burned because they were made in China, he should be lighting a fire under Obama's ass to get this fixed."

As distressing as it may be, the simple fact is that Americans are buying Chinese imports by the truckload. The "made in America" thing worked for awhile, but it died a slow, painful death, due to Americans reverting to making their purchasing decisions based mostly on the price of goods sold.

"That is if they care about encouraging manufacturers to create and keep jobs in this country."

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the only way that jobs are going to likely return to the U.S. is under one of two scenarios. Either the wages in this country must go down, or the wages in Asia must go up.

Hopefully, there will be an equalization, where we meet somewhere in the middle.

July 22, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
rick1 said...

A new report just out from the Internal Revenue Service reveals that 36 of President Obama's executive office staff owe the country $833,970 in back taxes. These people working for Mr. Fair Share apparently haven't paid any share, let alone their fair share.

Previous reports have shown how well-paid Obama's White House staff is, with 457 aides pulling down more than $37 million last year. That's up seven workers and nearly $4 million from the Bush administration's last year.

Nearly one-third of Obama's aides make more than $100,000 with 21 being paid the top White House salary of $172,200, each.

The IRS' 2010 delinquent tax revelations come as part of a required annual agency report on federal employees' tax compliance. Turns out, an awful lot of folks being paid by taxpayers are not paying their own income taxes.

The report finds that thousands of federal employees owe the country more than $3.4 billion in back taxes. That's up 3% in the past year.

Looks like Obama's IRS Agents are to busy auditing Mitt Romney donors as well.

ObaMAO is truly a narcissist.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2012/07/22/the_obama_tax_cheats

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townhallcomstaff/2012/07/22/romney_donor_on_obamas_enemies_list_audited_twice_coincidence

July 22, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
degage said...

Al, let me get this straight, It is alright for GE to outsource as long as they still have some part of their company here. Have you found a GE light bulb made in the US? no you can't, its either China or mexico. Then is it alright GE paid no taxes on 13 billion profit? GE propaganda doesn't work on this either.

July 22, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "Where do you get that idea from? There is a definite trade imbalance, due to an environment that includes some very stiff competition for American sales of products that are also made in China, which are definitely cheaper than those made here."

You must not have read the link I provided or if you did you chose to ignore it because it shows Obama's weakness with China. Here is the link again if you choose to read it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/here_comes_the_made-in-china_cadillac.html

July 22, 2012 at 9:04 p.m.
alprova said...

How is the failure of any member of the White House staff to pay their income taxes, the fault of the President?

Is it equally GWB's fault that the IRS was trying to collect $3 billion in unpaid taxes from 450,000 federal employees when he left office?

According to IRS records, there are still 171,549 current federal workers who have still not paid their federal income taxes for year 2007.

That number includes 37,752 active duty military and nearly 200,000 retired civilian and military personnel.

July 22, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

Obama needs to clean up his own back yard and get his 36 staff memebers to pay their back taxes before he starts crying for those who he claims are rich and have been paying their taxes to pay even more.

I bet Obama's staff members not paying their taxes was Bush fault too.

July 22, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, let me get this straight, It is alright for GE to outsource as long as they still have some part of their company here. Have you found a GE light bulb made in the US? no you can't, its either China or mexico."

The only lightbulbs made in the U.S. were incandescent bulbs. Once the remaining stock of incandescents are sold in the U.S., they will be gone forever.

CFL's have always been made in China. They perfected the process for making them. There's a lot more to making them than punching a button on a machine and watching them come down a conveyor belt. Each and every one of them are hand made.

Do you personally know any domestic glass blowers?

"Then is it alright GE paid no taxes on 13 billion profit? GE propaganda doesn't work on this either."

The fact that GE paid no taxes in 2010 was widely reported, and the outrage was aplenty. I defer to Representative Paul Ryan (R) Wisconsin, to explain it:

"GE was able to utilize all of these various loopholes, and all of these various deductions are legal."

$9 billion of GE's profits came overseas, outside the jurisdiction of U.S. tax law. GE wasn't taxed on $5 billion in U.S. profits because it utilized numerous deductions and tax credits, including tax breaks for investments in low-income housing, green energy, research and development, as well as depreciation of property.

While GE is taking all the heat, mainly due to Jeffrey Immelt being a part of the President's advisory staff, and while GE has enjoyed exploiting every tax loophole that is available to them, they are hardly alone in the practice.

On the surface, the U.S. has one of the world’s highest marginal corporate tax rates, but the effective rate that corporations actually pay is much lower.

Warren Buffett noted on CNBC back in February that, "It is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it. Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness."

You can hate the company if you want, and blame the CEO and the President for it, but the fact of the matter is that it's the rules of the game that allow corporations to win each year at tax filing time.

July 22, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Funny how the left will do anything to defend Immelt and GE. Sad, too. Can you say hypocrisy?

July 22, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I bet Obama's staff members not paying their taxes was Bush fault too."

You know that is not what I am implying at all. It's neither President's fault that Federal employees, including those whom they supervise directly, wind up in arrears in what they owe to the IRS.

But as we all know, anything...and I do mean anything, that people can bring up and attach to the hip of the President, seems to be fair game these days, and it's become beyond ridiculous.

July 22, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: did you feel the same way regarding Dubya?

July 22, 2012 at 10:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

We're talking inside Obama's white house alpo. You're doing what most liberals do when confronted with a situation you can't really defend. You rely on the "well Bush did it too" line that's wearing thin. The Bush excuse is getting old. Try as you might to see yourself as the liberal guru, but most of us see right through your liberal blather.

July 22, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Warren Buffett is also fighting the IRS. Apparently he owes at least $1 billion in back taxes to the government and has been fighting tooth and nail not to pay it. You're not going to win this argument alpo. and your weakness shows through with every lame post that you use to defend your beliefs.

July 22, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote "You must not have read the link I provided or if you did you chose to ignore it because it shows Obama's weakness with China. Here is the link again if you choose to read it."

Oh, I read it, but some of the information contained in it is false.

American manufacturers are most certainly allowed to export goods into China, but they are for the most part, cost prohibitive. They don't sell very well when they are priced four times or more the price of similar products manufactured domestically.

Howard and Raymond Richman can blame the President all day long, but the decision to go into business with the Chinese was GM's to make and they did.

If it was such a bad decision and it represents a breach of trade secrets that GM likes to keep under wraps, as the authors allege, then GM has no no one but themselves to blame for it.

It's very popular to blame the Chinese for attempting to protect their economy, but it's a cheap shot to blame the President for not doing the same, because the simple truth is that you need to do a little research to derive an understanding of the politicians, and which party they were aligned with, who are responsible for creating the environment that has allowed Asia to benefit from the massive infusion of U.S. business interests that have been ongoing for many, many years before President Obama walked into the Oval Office in January of 2009.

July 22, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Alpo: did you feel the same way regarding Dubya?"

As a matter of fact, yes. I defended him against unfair attacks just as much as I do the current President.

My only point of contention with Bush is his involving this country in two massively expensive and poorly planned wars, that have done little to stop acts of terrorism worldwide.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed, and two sovereign nations were torn to shreds in the attempt to kill or capture people aligned with al-Qaeda.

Yes, bin-Laden is dead. Yes, Saddam Hussein is dead. Yes, several al-Qaeda leaders are dead. But now, there are families of the innocent who have been killed as casualties of war, who have hate in their heart for Americans who invaded their nation, who don't give a damn about right or wrong, or for the fact that they may or may not be safer in their homes than they once were.

All they know is grief, and their fingers point to the west, in whom they blame for it. Terrorism will continue to thrive in the years to come for the same reason we experienced it on 9/11/2001.

The United States just cannot seem to mind its own business and must meddle in areas of the world where it has no invitation to do so.

July 22, 2012 at 10:43 p.m.

Everything is now Obama's fault. The spiraling debt (happening since 2002, and before that during the Reagan years), the War of 1812, and the Irish Potato Blight. All of which Obama could have prevented if only he hadn't cut funding to the Super-Conducting Super-Collider.

Won't somebody think of the Dinosaurs?

And just wait for some conservative zealot to reply with the standard screed whining that Obama blames Bush for everything, when they're the ones who do that, while the attributions to Bush's culpability are more specific.

July 22, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm

Plagiarizing insults? ROTFLMFAO!

Would you like to try again?

LMAO! You sad, sad little creature!

July 22, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

THIS HAS BECOME TAXING

Jack responded, "The tax returns will prove he's richer than we thought. He donates heavily to his church. He doesn't voluntarily donate to the USofA. The crux of the tax-returns matter is about class warfare. Why not admit it?"

You're right Jack. Everybody knows he's rich. Everybody knows he tithes.

I was talking about the POLITICAL fallout Romney might sustain from releasing his tax returns. Again, you changed the subject so I have to conclude your reading comprehension is on par with your ideology.

Class warfare is what republicans have waged quite successfully since Reagan. I read somewhere that over the past twenty or thirty years the average income for the top 1% has increased $1 million. That sounds like a lot, but some of these guys have annual salaries in the hundreds of millions range so who knows? Meanwhile, working class wages have stagnated. Sound like class warfare?

BTW, Romney wants to CUT his own taxes and those of the other fabulously well-to-do fellow yachtsmen, and RAISE taxes on half the working class families with children. Sound like class warfare? All of these so-called job creators have been at the trough for seven or eight years now and they've already created all the jobs they ever could under the Bush tax rates.

Romney could end Tax ReturnGate tomorrow by releasing the last ten years. Poof. Problem solved. He might taking a beating in the media for a day or two but he would be able to focus his campaign on how the economy sucks and it's all Obama's fault. Gosh, even his own father released 12 years of returns when he ran for President, saying that releasing just one year could be a fluke, something done for show.

So far Mitt's released one year. It seems obvious that he believes those returns will damage his campaign, otherwise he'd simply release them. He's not standing on principle here. Other republicans have told him he has to release the returns. (Come to think of it, when has Mitt EVER stood on principle?) I find it weird that he's had since 2008 to come up with a reasonable explanation why he shouldn't release his tax returns and still hasn't come up with anything.

Until he releases those returns, rightly or wrongly, he's going to pay a political price.

In the interest of full disclosure when I read your 'class warfare' line I burst out laughing, so thanks!

July 22, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "We're talking inside Obama's white house alpo."

So what? Do you think for one minute that the President has any duty or responsibility to see to it that all the people on his staff pay their income taxes each year?

The average default rate on income taxes stands at 22% of all Americans across the entire nation. I believe I read that the staff of the White House consists of around 474 people. 36 of them owe back taxes. That's a default rate of just over 7%.

I have a hard time understanding why these people, who obviously make a decent living, are not paying their taxes on time, but I see no reason at all to hold any President responsible for them not paying them on time.

"You're doing what most liberals do when confronted with a situation you can't really defend. You rely on the "well Bush did it too" line that's wearing thin."

Go back and read what I wrote. I ASKED if GWB should be held responsible for any Federal employees who are late or who still owe back taxes.

The point I was making is that there are ALWAYS an amount of Federal employees that make those lists. This is not news, nor is it fair, under any criteria imaginable, to saddle the President of any administration for such occurrences.

"The Bush excuse is getting old. Try as you might to see yourself as the liberal guru, but most of us see right through your liberal blather."

You need to update your reading comprehension skills, and you need to take a deep breath before you post mindless blathering of your own.

July 22, 2012 at 10:59 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

blackwater: you're welcome.

July 22, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

The full and effective enactment of SB-13 and HR-25 consumption tax would be a big break for the middle and lower income sectors. This would make past tax returns and tax loop holes meaningless. The wealthy and politicians will make sure the ignorance of those that would benefit is fully exploited, never allowing either of them to be voted on.

July 23, 2012 at 5 a.m.
fairmon said...

The full and effective enactment of SB-13 and HR-25 consumption tax would be a big break for the middle and lower income sectors. This would make past tax returns and tax loop holes meaningless. The wealthy and politicians will make sure the ignorance of those that would benefit is fully exploited, never allowing either of them to be voted on.

July 23, 2012 at 5 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Some have been worried about signs that differing from Obama politically can result in persecution prompted by the administration.

The quote should read, "Pull him over, he must be a terrorist enemy of the state!" (Our beloved leader tells us so)

July 23, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

ALPO says: "So what? Do you think for one minute that the President has any duty or responsibility to see to it that all the people on his staff pay their income taxes each year"?

Yes I do alpo. Should he not clean his house before he tries to clean mine?

July 23, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

This is how we ended up with Barry.

July 23, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"...Romney apparently was trying to shield himself from charges by President Obama’s campaign that he had authority, tacit or otherwise, over Bain investments in companies that shipped jobs overseas. That is an argument being litigated over the course of the campaign, and comes while Romney has declined to release relevant tax returns and meeting minutes that might shed more light on the matter."

So, it's really not about the man being wealthy, we all know he's wealthy. It's about whether he was in control of Bain Capital when they were stabbing American workers in the heart for profit. It's about whether he is a lying piece of sh!t or not.

I abide and I approve this message... don't you? LOL

July 23, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48281577

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48281252

FOUR MORE YEARS..FOUR MORE YEARS..FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!

July 23, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
annisisbell said...

Its important to understand the income tax. People work four months every year just to pay the PRIVATELY owned Federal Reserve bank the interest on the money it loans our government. This is illegal and unnecessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytg9RXSil0Q

John F. Kennedy issued an Executive Order getting rid of the Fed. On the plane carrying his body back from Dallas to DC, Lyndon Johnson rescinded that EO and no POTUS has dared to touch the Fed since. When Ron Paul wanted simply to audit it, rumors circulated around the web that he would be assassinated.

Co-incidentally, every POTUS who has tried to get rid of the central bank has been assassinated. Think about what the owners have to lose.

July 23, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You libs are putting a lot of your eggs in one basket. It seems reasonable that if Romney had done something illegal the IRS would have done something to him by now.

My question is, if or when Romney throws down his returns and there's nothing there, what do you bitch about then? Everything you tried hasn't worked so far. Keep digging!

July 23, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_abides: You mean sorta like Jeff Immelt?

July 23, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
timbo said...

Let's just say that, " In an insane world, the sane man must appear insane." Liberals are brain damaged.

July 23, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Truce over...The Dear Leader's Chicago Thug-n-Chief leads the way.http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/23/obama-adviser-david-axelrod-ends-post-shooting-detente/

July 23, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
degage said...

Dude, and Obama used executive privilege to protect Holder and himself. Doesn't want those docs getting out before the election. Timmy doesn't know how to use turbo tax and Obama made him treasury secretary. His adminstration is full of people that never worked in the private sector,including him.

July 23, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_... Let's pretend, for a moment, that there have been less than ethical people in government (gasp!). Are you saying that you're not interested in whether this next candidate is lying about his business connections? We could throw names back and forth, but that would just fog the issue of whether or not Mitt is lying to the country about his connection to Bain. Is that where you'd like it to stay? In the fog?

July 23, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
tderng said...

dude_abides...I would like it to stay in the same fog as Obama's college transcripts.What is in there that he doesn't want us to see?

July 23, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage... What percentage of the Administration do you think you're more intelligent than? Take a quick snapshot of your life. Would you tiptoe to get a peek at Weston Wamp through the crowd at Riverbend? What was the most impactful decision you ever made? Envision yourself holding forth in a Cabinet meeting, all eyes and ears on degage while he lays out the master plan. My guess is that you're, like, waay closer to shooting up a theater than being the Treasury Secretary of the United States of America.

July 23, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

teetering... The comical thing is how you folks circle the wagons at the first hint that the Democrats may actually take a shot at what you folks have been doing constantly since before Obama was elected. I've heard every kind of "gate" from you people except "pearly."

July 23, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
alprova said...

tderng wrote: "I would like it to stay in the same fog as Obama's college transcripts.What is in there that he doesn't want us to see?"

It's not typical for Presidential candidates to release college transcripts.

Very few have released educational records.

Nothing's being hidden. The man simply thinks that they are none of your business, and they aren't.

July 23, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, you are so funny. Weston Wamp means nothing to me as I don't live in Tenn. Haven't been to a movie in years. You have no idea what I would do as I have no idea what you would do. Nor do you know what you would do. I just know what has been done these last 3.5 years has not been in my or anyone elses best interest. My cost of living has skyrocketed and income has not. Obama promised on the campaign trail in 2008 that energy would skyrocket and coal companys would go out of business. Kept his promise on that one and it only hurts the middle class and poor. Because of that electricy ,food and gas prices are out of sight. So stick up for your god in the WH if you want since you must be rich enough for all this not to affect you, the rest of us don't like it so the idiot in the WH has to go in Nov along with his chicago thugs.

July 23, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Dear fellow American,

Gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”

Disguised as an “International Arms Control Treaty” to fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN’s Small Arms Treaty is in fact a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate, the UN “Small Arms Treaty” would almost certainly FORCE the United States to:

*** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;

*** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);

*** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;

*** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you that this is NOT a fight we can afford to lose.

I’m helping lead the fight to defeat this radical treaty in the United States Senate and I want your help.

Please join me by taking a public stand AGAINST this outright assault on our national sovereignty by signing the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey below!

For Freedom,

Rand Paul U.S. Senator (R-KY)

July 23, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Dude_: Let's pretend that The Dear Leader wants to put into place the best people for the Czar jobs. Did he do that with Immelt?
BTW, Dude. That was a fairly caustic attack on dégagé. You're showing your leftist elitism. What is the most impactful decision you've made, Dude? Come on.

July 23, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
degage said...

annisisbell, help is on the way. But we need to get the democrats on the side of freedom instead of the UN power grab.

Jack ,Dude doesn't bother me, he is just a kook that doesn't have a clue he is being played by the left.

July 23, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Brian Ross should be fired forthwith for assaulting the man in blue.

July 23, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dagage: I know. played like a fine violin.

July 23, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_: There's always a home for Brian Ross at MSNBC.

July 23, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
anniebelle said...

degage, when you said "help is on the way", I thought you meant the men with the tranquilzer guns have come to take this nutjob away to a padded cell. Sounds like a crazed James Holmes in the making. Be careful when you go to synagogue folks. It is possible that some who wish to believe that 9/11 was an Israeli conspiracy will not accept a reliable account of who died in the horrific 9/11 attacks. If that is the case, the plainest evidence that many Jews died in the World Trade Center is the list of the names of the dead: "How many Jews actually died in the world Trade Center attacks is not known with any precision. The official New York City 'Missing Persons List' does not categorize victims by their religion or nationality. But ask families with names like Adler, Aron, Berger, Bernstein,Cohen, Eichler, Eisenberg, Feinberg, Friedlander, Goldstein,Greenstein, Horwitz, Jablonski, Kestenbaum, Kirchbaum, Kleinberg,Levi, Levine, Mayer, Rosenberg, Rosenblum, Rosenthal, Sachs,Safronoff, Schwartz, Shulman, Shwartzstein, Silverstein, Solomon,Steinman, Temple, Weil, Weinberg, Weingard, Weinstein, Weiss, Zukelman what they wouldn't give to see their loved ones again. Why didn't they get a conspiratorial cell-phone message warning them to stay home? By all appearances, the 9-11 hijackers were equal-opportunity murderers."

July 23, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
degage said...

Anniebelle, What are you rambling on about. We were talking about the treaty the UN wants, to supress gun ownership and you rant on about jews and 9/11. Did you just wake up from your snooze and are confused?

July 23, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

I thougth "Rush"ial profiling by police was illegal.

July 23, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jack_ said... "What is the most impactful decision you've made, Dude? Come on." The problem with your attack on me, Jaqui, is that I'm not the one who is sitting in a Lazy Boy trashing our leaders, accusing them of being stupid. I think it's funny that degage, wherever the heck he's from, thinks Weston Wamp is a movie star! His name does have a certain "Dash Riprock" quality, doesn't it? So, you really are missing the point of my calling degage, who obviously just writes in to the media with republican talking points, out on his disparaging remarks.

July 23, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
annisisbell said...

anniebelle - the jews NEVER stop whining that Anglo Saxon Americans and Christians are a threat to them. Is treating the host people of the country they live off of the jews' idea of how to win friends and influence people?

If jews fear for their lives why don't they use some common sense and go live in israel? After a thousand years of being driven from other people's countries you'd think they could figure this out.

But please don't slander me or expect me not to exercise my free speech because of jews. If they don't like what I say or they feel threatened, kiss my grits and get the heck out. they're not doing us any favors by being here and they can take their middle east problems and their central bank with them.

July 23, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, you lefties trashed Bush from day one but you get your panties in a wad if anyone so much as tells the truth about your God, Obama.

July 23, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

annisisbell said... "If jews fear for their lives why don't they use some common sense and go live in israel? After a thousand years of being driven from other people's countries you'd think they could figure this out."

WOW! I just... WOW!

July 23, 2012 at 3 p.m.
annisisbell said...

PS 9-11 never would have happened if not for jews. That cannot be denied. jews should have to answer for their actions which get our people killed. How many of our children have died in the middle east because of the jew? 9-11 was the jew neocons "new Pearl Harbor" to trick Americans into invading Iraq.

That's what makes me sick about jews' whining that We are a threat to THEM. They are a threat to world peace, freedom and economic prosperity for the entire world.

jews in Congress are the ones who got a bill to the floor to take away our guns before the blood was dry in the movie theater. jews are behind the world bank, the IMF, the UN and all the other organizations that are being used to take freedom away and set up a jew world order. they are the ones behind the NGOs that are causing widespread bloodletting from Syria to Egypt.

then they try to blame others for opposing them and criticizing them. They have the right to propagandize us, bring down the morals of our nation with their filthy movies and encouraging single mothers and drug use and then they turn around and complain about Christian evangelists and Christian prayer before board meetings.

Typical jew behavior, and we are supposed to judge people by the content of their character are we not?

July 23, 2012 at 3 p.m.

Ah the conspiracy ranting is strong in this one.

July 23, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Come on, conservatives! Get behind your brother! How do all you right wingers feel about the words of brother annis? Your silence will mean you have nothing to add or detract. I think annis has touched on a major tenet of conservatism, he's just got the brass to tell it!

July 23, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
dude_abides said...

annis... You know Einstein was Jewish. Do you think that maybe E actually equals MC to the third power, but Einstein was being greedy with his exponents? Maybe ALL of his Ziontific research is suspect.

July 23, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Ah, so he sort of "ghosts" in and makes fun of anniebelle's name in the process? Devilishly clever! Thanks, tu_. I will keep an eye out for these interlopers in the future. Get bent, tu_ella.

July 23, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

anihitler and degage,

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

Please be enlightened and stop spouting your lies. Everything you believe about this "U.N. Small Arms Treaty" is false and has been fed to you by the Right-wing propaganda machine.

July 23, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

annisisbell... tu_quoque thinks your arguments are so stupid that you must be a democrat making up ridiculous statements to make republicans look dumb. What do you think of her opinion? I've looked up some of your past posts, and they look legit to me.

July 23, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

annisbell is a joke, right?

July 23, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_ said... "tell me what to think, tu_!"

Go back and read old posts, J_D.

July 23, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Have you looked at old posts from annis, tu_? The noninflammatory, more reasoned posts? So, to be clear, you think nobody could be so dumb as to post the things that annis has posted, right? He MUST be a plant, right? If annis has any pride at all he will surely not tuck his tail and run. You have really insulted him.

July 23, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Yeah jack dennis I'm a joke. So lets hear you REFUTE ONE thing I've said.

The very basis of gun control is demonizing the founding stock of America. You wouldn't have to take guns from trustworthy people would you?

I replied to anniebelle's comments warning jews to be careful on their way to synogodge for fear of non jewish White people. Excuse me? Is that not a libel against White people???

Do Americans not have a right to discuss jews and israel and their actions that effect our country? jews take center stage and israel hogs the headlines but we're not supposed to form opinions about what jews do in our country???? we're not supposed to notice that our kids die in the middle east and our treasury is bankrupted or that the Fed exists?

That's like when jews claimed that we would come out of movie theaters and attack jews after watching the Passion of the Christ. Is that not an insult to Christian people? Please tell me if its some form of flattery. Please tell me who is more likely to harm whom. When do Christians ever attack jews the way jews continually attack Christians. Irving Berlin wrote White Christmas to take Christ out and jews brag about it.

Based upon WHAT evidence do the jews treat us like we are a threat to them. What of our vital institutions do they not own and control from Wall Street to Hollywood?

Give me a break. If they are so concerned what is the logical response. You tell me.

  1. Do not immigrate to planet Borg if you are human.

  2. Live on Planet Borg, take control of all its institutions, insult the Borg, force the Borg to fight wars on behalf of humans and get their kids killed. Remind Borgs that they are dangerous to humans.

Demonizing the founding stock of this nation justifies taking our guns. If you have no understanding of this then why do you think they want to take our guns?

July 23, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.
annisisbell said...

What part of this justifies jewish demonization of Christian and Anglo Saxon people? In what way are jews helpless victims?

U.S. Military Aid and the Israel/Palestine Conflict If Americans Knew http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

The U.S. is providing Israel with at least $8.2 million each day in military aid ... Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars.

US Financial Aid to Israel: Figures, Facts and Impact The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs http://www.wrmea.org/special-topics/9748-us-aid-to-israel.html

Summary: Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid Since 1949 (As of Nov. 1, 1997): Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S. Aid to Israel: Grand Total 84,854,827,200 dollars. Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers 134,791,507,200 dollars.

The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers: True Lies Richard H. Curtiss http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html

Americans have read that "Israel receives $3 billion in annual US foreign aid." That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other US federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was 5,525,800,000 dollars. One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone.

July 23, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
annisisbell said...

If you disagree so strongly to what I say why is it you cannot move beyond attempts to stigmatize me to rational arguments refuting what I say? You seem flabbergasted and tongue tied.

You have been conditioned to respond in this way to opposition to jews by their psychological warfare against us.

You attempt to stigmatize just as you have seen them do and just as you've been conditioned to do.

You stigmatize because you have no argument.

jews don't want to DEBATE the issues because they can't, they have no argument, so they stigmatize. After they have stigmatized a person, word or term all they have to do is invoke it and Pavlov's dogs salivate.

For instance, David Duke, Hiter, Nazi, KKK etc etc etc.

That's why you have no answers for me beyond your attempts to stigmatize me. That's why you feel so helpless and bewildered.

July 23, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
annisisbell said...

jews are fair game for debate just the same as gun control, public prayer, the Bush presidency, the Obama administration, Iraq, West Bank, 9-11 and all the rest.

You hate what I say but you are confused as to why exactly.

July 23, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
annisisbell said...

jews always try to take away other's free speech by flagging their speech.

July 23, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

annisisbell,

There is no need to debate you or even acknowledge your posts. Everything you say is anti-Semetic, bigoted White Nationalist propaganda. You could be saying the same thing about African-Americans, Caucasians, Muslims, Hindu, etc. It's hate speech. It's prejudice, discrimination, xenophobia, and racism all rolled up into one.

No one, and I mean no one, should take anything you say seriously. You've admitted to being a member of the White Nationalist group, you are a Holocaust denier and every post is full of blatant anti-Semetism, racism, and bigotry.

You and your ilk are what is wrong with the world. If you want to be proud of your skin color, go right ahead. But when your misguided pride for the pigment of your skin or where you happened to be born devolves into the bigotry and hatred that you spew on a daily basis, your credibility and your sanity should be put into question.

I sure as hell don't care what you have to say. And I don't think anyone else here does either. We all argue over politics, the President, and Clay Bennett's cartoons and many of us have huge idealogical differences but I think I can speak for the majority by saying that you are a dumbass.

But please, keep spouting your anti-Semetic and racist propaganda. Heck, do it in public. Because it would give me great pleasure if someone knocked your bitch ass out for spewing all your hate.

July 23, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey annis... I may not agree with you, but at least I took you seriously and didn't call you a joke or a plant. That's the problem with conservatives. One hates gays, one hates blacks, one hates Jews, one hates abortion, etc., but there is no cohesive message. They are glued together by prejudices only. It's like a potato sack race with one person facing backward. All you can do is run in a circle. I knew none of them would back you up.

tu_ whiffs again! Obamacare and now annisgate!

July 23, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
adolphochs said...

Hadn't checked in for a while. Shouldn't have bothered. SOS just different day.

July 23, 2012 at 6:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Dude says.."one hates gays, one hates blacks, one hates Jews"....and so forth. I don't know any haters. (except for dude-abides, who hates anyone with differing opinion.) With all respect, Dude, you're one hate filled elitist.

July 23, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I don't know, Jack_, calling annis a joke was pretty hateful. Are you ashamed of your conservative buddy's views on Jews?

July 23, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
tderng said...

If annis is not a plant and truly believes what he/she says,please get professional help! Until I hear that he/she has done so I shall NOT be visiting a theater near me any time soon!The only problem with him/her getting help is that a lot of psych docs are Jewish...damned if he/she does damned if he/she doesn't.

July 23, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude: To couple annie with conservatism is just plain wrong.

July 23, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jack_... to call annis annie is worse.

July 23, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/star-of-romney-my-hands-didnt-build-this-ad-received-millions-in-government-loans-and-contracts/

July 23, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have to agree with Jack. There is nothing in annis' posts that make him conservative. Just antisemitic, white supremist, conspiracy paranoia to extreme. No evidence offered to support his outrageous claims. But no true conservative talking points.

July 23, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

How come this newspaper never talks about the hostile ruling elites who are getting our people killed? Its not safe to go out there and the prime culprits are the ones who've taken over our government. Big Brother is always watching. Now he wants to take your guns. - annisisbell

This sure sounds like conservativism to me ikeithlu. I don't blame you for being repulsed by it, though.

July 23, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.
rick1 said...

tu, thought you might find this cartoon interesting. The scary thing is, there are so many people who so busy worshiping Obama they do not have a clue as to what is happening around them.

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

July 23, 2012 at 8:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
July 23, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ shed... "Jack … For TheDud there is no right or wrong as its all relative and only about the Libtard dogma and its advancement. In this situation he is like any good Worker of the World that is “acting in any means necessary” to carry the flag for the collective."

Throwin' some Malcolm X on me tu_? Hey, I hear Ayn Kampf may get a reprint(the annis tu_ nexus)!

July 23, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

rick1 said... tu, thought you might find this cartoon interesting. The scary thing is, there are so many people who so busy worshiping Obama they do not have a clue as to what is happening around them.

http://www.glaad.org/files/styles/414x/public/glaadromneyboyscouts.jpg

July 23, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

34% blame Obama for economy. Only 18% blame Bush.

It don't look good for the messiah.

July 23, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

You know, that vehicle could just as easily had a "hope and change" sticker on it. And the words from the cop would ACTUALLY be true. Obama's done NOTHING good for this economy. You'd have to be drunk AND high to vote for this creep again.

July 23, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

This sure sounds like conservativism to me ikeithlu. I don't blame you for being repulsed by it, though.

Dunno-it seemed too focused on Jews, not liberals.

July 23, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"Poll: Romney preferred over Obama to handle the economy"

That wasn't the poll question.

The question was:

Would Mitt Romney's business background cause him to make good or bad decisions regarding the economic problems?

Obama's name wasn't mentioned in that poll question. Read the articles you post next time.

"34% blame Obama for economy. Only 18% blame Bush."

And 23% blame Congress, 20% blame Wall Street. So basically 2/3 of pollsters don't blame Obama.

"Obama's done NOTHING good for this economy."

Other than the Stimulus, extending the Bush tax cuts, the auto bailout, the new Wall Street oversight and reform, TARP, etc., right?

You probably are drunk AND high considering the lack of facts to back up your rhetoric.

July 23, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

What has the "stimulus" done? And how does bailing out a bunch of overpaid union people(Obama voters no less) help the economy? Wall street oversight is a joke, considering most of Obama's staff are wall street people. He vilified the Bush tax cuts and then extended them. So he extends the very tax cuts he blames for his "inherited" mess.

You're stuck on stupid.

July 23, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, here is a good article showing how bad the Dood/Frank Law has been on the economy.

http://news.investors.com/article/619198/201207231853/recovery-stalled-after-dodd-frank-act-became-law.htm

July 23, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
degage said...

annisisbell, I was with you about the UN and guns, but I think you are one hateful person when it comes to people different than you. There is no justification for your kind of hate. You are talking gutter talk, must be where you reside.

July 23, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

Easy, you said one of the things Obama did that was good for the economy was extending the Bush tax cuts. You have said numerous times in the past that the rich need to pay more, but now you have just admitted that raising taxes would not be good for the economy, which is true.

July 23, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

The Stimulus saved around 2 million jobs.

Bailing out the auto industry saved thousands of possibly layoffs and put money back into a now growing AMERICAN industry.

Wall Street oversight was put in place to combat situations that put us in a recession.

Who cares if he didn't like the tax cuts on the rich? He still extended them. It's called making a bipartisan decision. OMFG! How terrible!!! If a Republican had done the same, you would have his head on a stake (ask Lamar Alexander)

You're still a dumbass.

July 23, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

I have not admitted that raising taxes would not be good for the economy. Letting the Bush TAX CUTS on the rich expire is not raising taxes. The rich would be paying what they normally pay.

Try again.

July 23, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.
rick1 said...

Easy this is what was said and how you responded.

"Obama's done NOTHING good for this economy."

Other than the Stimulus, extending the Bush tax cuts, the auto bailout, the new Wall Street oversight and reform, TARP, etc., right?

You admitted that extending the Bush tax cuts which includes all income brackets was good for the economy. So raising taxes would hurt the economy.

How much should the rich pay? 30%?

July 23, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy said" ..I have not admitted that raising taxes would not be good for the economy. Letting the Bush TAX CUTS on the rich expire is not raising taxes. The rich would be paying what they normally pay.".....Easy, in a long list of stupid remarks, this one may be the blue ribbon winner.

July 23, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

Letting the Bush tax cuts on the rich IS NOT raising taxes. Are we clear? Pay attention next time.

I'd actually like to see what happens when the tax cuts on the rich expire plus keeping the tax cuts on the middle class. But I'd also like to see how the Buffett Rule would work. It would be nice if we could somehow simulate both but the POTUS will have to choose.

The rich get off easy compared to the three decades after WW2.

"And even 35 percent is a pittance compared to the first three decades after World War II. Before Ronald Reagan slashed taxes on the rich in 1981, the highest marginal tax rate was over 70 percent. Under Dwight Eisenhower it was 91 percent. Even if you include deductions and credits, the rich are now paying a far lower share of their incomes in taxes than at any time since World War II."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/taxing-the-rich-the-obama_b_968642.html

July 23, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Are you dense?

The rich received a tax cut. That means they aren't paying what they would normally pay.

If the tax cuts expire, they would simply be paying what they would have paid without the tax cuts.

If Obama raised the normal tax rates, that would be a "raising taxes'.

Maybe your Bengay is getting to your head or maybe your just a dumbass. Which is it?

July 23, 2012 at 10:44 p.m.
rick1 said...

Easy said "Bailing out the auto industry saved thousands of possibly layoffs and put money back into a now growing AMERICAN industry."

The auto industry filied for bankruptcy after getting bailed out. The only thing Obama did was take control of the bankruptcy to pay back the UAW and screwed over the creditors.

Easy said "Wall Street oversight was put in place to combat situations that put us in a recession."

Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac put us into the recession yet no where in the Dodd/Frank bill is there any provision dealing with Fannie or Freddie.

Read what the effects of this law has had and will continue to have on the economy.

http://news.investors.com/article/619198/201207231853/recovery-stalled-after-dodd-frank-act-became-law.htm?p=full

July 23, 2012 at 10:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

The auto bailout saved around a million jobs and those same auto industries created over 100,000.

They let Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae off easy with the law but I would place more blame on the private Wall Street companies and complete carelessness on the part of Wall Street for the recession. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have taken the brunt of the criticism from Republicans but they shouldn't have.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

July 23, 2012 at 10:52 p.m.
rick1 said...

Easy, the auto industry filed for bsankruptcy after getting the bailout. The bailout did not save the auto industry they still filed for bankruptcy.

Easy said "Letting the Bush tax cuts on the rich IS NOT raising taxes" The rich received a tax cut. That means they aren't paying what they would normally pay."

"If the tax cuts expire, they would simply be paying what they would have paid without the tax cuts."

"If Obama raised the normal tax rates, that would be a "raising taxes'."

Easy, look at what you posted. So letting tax cuts expire on the rich ( whatever rich is as Obama says couples making over $250,000 a year and others say $1 million dollars) is noit raising taxes but if he raised the normal tax rate (what ever the normal tax rate is)would be raising taxes.

Ignorance can be cured with knowledge. Stupidity is terminal. Easy,you are stupid.

July 23, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

The auto bailout saved around a million jobs and those same auto industries created over 100,000.

Pay attention:

The rich received a tax cut. That means they aren't paying what they would normally pay.

If the tax cuts expire, they would simply be paying what they would have paid without the tax cuts.

If Obama raised the normal tax rates, that would be a "raising taxes'.

You're dumbassery is on high.

July 23, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Being ignorant is one thing. Being determined to stay that way is another.

July 23, 2012 at 11:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

I'm glad you've acknowledged your problem.

July 23, 2012 at 11:19 p.m.
alprova said...

The GOP’s War Against Facts The truth became dangerous for the Republican Party when it ran out of arguments.

"Someday political scientists will try to date the decline of reasoned discourse in America to the moment when the left and the right began to invent their own facts. Climate change deniers, the purveyors of lies linking abortion to breast cancer, and creationists will all be blamed for the end of meaningful debate between liberals and conservatives. But that’s not quite right. The real end of civic discourse can be traced to the new conservative argument that facts themselves are dangerous."

Read more at:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/07/mitt_romney_and_the_republican_party_do_not_want_to_disclose_basic_truths_for_fear_that_someone_will_use_these_facts_against_them_some_day_.html

July 23, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.
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