published Thursday, June 28th, 2012

Party of Lincoln

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Worthless cartoon. Predictable.

June 28, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "Worthless cartoon. Predictable."

Worthless comment. Predictable.

June 28, 2012 at 12:29 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

All of the vampires bear a striking resemblance to Florida's Governor Scott and that is most appropriate.

It's a worthless cartoon only for those who are humor impaired.

June 28, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

just plain disgusting

June 28, 2012 at 12:54 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Disgusting is right, JD. It's disgusting how the brain-dead blood-sucking teabaggers have taken over the Republican party.

June 28, 2012 at 2:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

From what I understand the tea party is not actually a national party and has no central or national leadership. The tea party is a movement with many groups of people in essentially all regions of the country meeting and joining forces to support or oppose various government initiatives. Some groups are reported to include members of both parties and independents that agree with the groups principles. I don't agree with or support the tea agenda but fail to see why there is such strong objection in a republic and democratic form of government to their expression of their beliefs.

June 28, 2012 at 3:51 a.m.
Lr103 said...

harp339, the cartoon represents the core beliefs of the tea party. The tea party was actually bankrolled by a wealthy Texan, and headed by the wife of a supreme court justice, whose sole determination was to get President Obama impeached. It's easy to get others to go along with wrong, even when they're likely to end up being the targeted victims. Just make them think you're there for their benefit. That they're the center of topic. That it's their concerns that are being addressed. Hermann Goering said it best: Kicking, screaming, protesting all the way. It's easy. The masses will eventually come around.

June 28, 2012 at 4:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Would any of the Republicans here like to retract their statements about Eric Holder, President Obama and the ATF now? Your conspiracy theory has fallen through and so has the actual "story" about gun walking. I'm sure none of you will retract but, at least, we all know the truth now. This was a witch hunt of the highest order.

June 28, 2012 at 4:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."I don't agree with or support the tea agenda but fail to see why there is such strong objection in a republic and democratic form of government to their expression of their beliefs."

Harp - none of us are objecting to the expression of the tea party's beliefs. Rather, we are exercising our right to free expression to suggest that government grounded in tea party beliefs would not be a republic nor would it be democratic.

June 28, 2012 at 5:35 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Easy123, yes I read that article yesterday in Fortune. I wonder how many repukes will seek the truth on this one or just go on sputtering their limbaugh lines. I won't hold my breath for any of them to seek enlightenment.

June 28, 2012 at 5:49 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

easy, the article you cite says the ATF was doing complicated stuff because the laws it wished to enforce did not exist.

Our President, instead of enforcing laws as the Constitution requires, is deciding what laws he wants to enforce, e.g. not DOMA. Is that republican and democratic as MT John wants?

Lincoln freed slaves. The tea party wants to free us from taxes and regulations, which resemble slavery, or are forms of slavery to some extent. Liberals govern so as to rule other people. That's the party of Jefferson Davis for you. Repent.

June 28, 2012 at 5:51 a.m.
anniebelle said...

andy, now which is it? You say the laws it wished to enforce did not exist, but our president was not enforcing these non-laws. Listen to you!

June 28, 2012 at 5:55 a.m.
joneses said...

The Tea Party stands for limited federal government, individual freedoms, personal responsibility, free markets and returning political power to the states and the people. So these liberals that continue to spread their lies about the Tea Party must be for a bigger controlling federal government, less freedoms for individuals, no personal responsibility, no free markets, and keeping all the power with the federal government. By being against the Tea party this what you liberals want. Thanks for proving to all of us your agenda for America.

June 28, 2012 at 6:04 a.m.
EaTn said...

While in Germany a few years ago I visited the abandoned headquarters of Hitler's Nazi regime and also visited what was the first of the infamous Nazi death camps and wondered how a minority of twisted individuals could snooker so many gullible folks into believing ridiculous lies. Little would I realize that those same kids of deceitful lies would be used to reshape our country.

June 28, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
anniebelle said...

The tea party was started by Faux News and repuke 'think tanks', including the one run by Clarence Thomas' wife and has nothing to do with limited government. It has everything to do with diverting your tax dollars to fund never ending wars so people like the Dick can make billions of dollars off you suckers. Adelson is giving millions to the repukes so he can get 'his' taxes to zero and leave all you chumps paying for what makes this a civilized country.

June 28, 2012 at 6:16 a.m.
Easy123 said...


If you support "limited government", then I assume you will be the first to give up your Social Security benefits, right? How about cutting your Medicare benefits as well? Let's cut roads, police, firemen, hospitals, schools, consumer protections, environmental protection while we are at it as well.

I'm sure you would be all for that. Oh wait! Those are big government programs that help you. Wouldn't want to cut those! Who needs schools, police, or clean air anyway, right? I'm sure you would be all for cutting other government programs though, right? Like food stamps or any program benefiting the poor.

Thank you for showing how uninformed you really are on how our government works. If you don't want to pay taxes and you want "smaller" government, then don't expect to reap the benefits of the aforementioned programs and services.

But, by all means, keep bitching about the dreaded federal government and those evil taxes they make you pay. All while you receive countless benefits from the federal government which are funded by your tax dollars.

June 28, 2012 at 6:23 a.m.
joneses said...


This really must make you sick and the Tea party is not promoting this. This is all your God, who you refuse to hold accountable, Hussein Obama's decision. Hussein Obama is the one who continues the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and continues to bomb Pakistan and continues to keep Gitmo open, and has sent American troops to fight in Uganda. The Tea Party's goals which I listed above says nothing about war. Stop being a liar and a hypocrite and hold your Messiah Hussein Obama accountable. Why do you liberals continue to let Hussein Obama walk all over you?


Former President Jimmy Carter, in a New York Times op-ed on Monday, accused the Obama Administration of violating human rights with the use of unmanned drones and continued operations at Guantanamo Bay. I'm sure these events weren't the sort of thing that Obama, who promised the closure of Guantanamo and criticized the last administration for inhumane treatment during the war on terror, really wanted the rest of us to be thinking about. I'm sure he didn't want the voting American public to know that there have been more than 200 drone strikes in Pakistan since January, 2009. I'm sure he also didn't want us to know that -- on his watch and in spite of his own criticism about Guantanamo -- prisoners there have been waterboarded or "threatened with semiautomatic weapons, power drills or threats to sexually assault their mothers."

June 28, 2012 at 6:32 a.m.
cactus said...

Clay, you don't have the ability to advocate for the issues that you favor. Instead, you and your followers resort to demonizing the people who have a different opinion than yours. I suggest more reading of the issues from all sources.

June 28, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
anniebelle said...

jonsey, I guess you didn't get the news that the Shrub and the Dick started both these wars. If President Obama had tried to withdraw there would have been screaming from the rooftops that he somehow doesn't support our troops by bringing them home. Also, breaking news, President Obama brought the Iraq (completely illegal war) to a halt. You really should get some real news. It's a real eye opener.

June 28, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses....I'm glad to see you've finally become a fan of former President Carter, who was one of the first to become a victim of the deceitful and hateful right-wing steam roller.

June 28, 2012 at 6:49 a.m.
joneses said...


Are you that stupid? Apparently you are.

Social Security is almost bankrupt thanks to the federal government. Give me the money I paid into Social Security and I will have more than the government will allow me to keep. Medicare, because of the federal government, is plagued with fraud and abuse because of the federal governments failure to monitor it properly, Roads? Keep the tax money in the states and let the states be responsible for their roads. Police, firemen, hospitals, schools, consumer protections, environmental protection? States, counties and municipalities could manage these more efficiently.

You are so stupid and blind you cannot see how inefficient the federal government actually is. But you know what? Pathetic losers like you might need the federal government to tell you what to do because you are so incompetent and stupid you lack the ability to think for yourself. So you just keep mooching off the government and continue to bitch an moan about how bad you have it. You are one of those pathetic morsels that depend on the government for your livelihood and are so stupid you cannot realize that doing so is exactly what keeps you living in poverty.

June 28, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.
joneses said...


We still have a presence in Iraq. The iraq troop draw down was already agreed upon by President Bush's administration. Obama promised we would get out of Afghanistan and close Gitmo. He lied. Stop being so blind stupid.

June 28, 2012 at 6:53 a.m.
joneses said...


Actually I think carter is just as big of a POS as obama. The point I was making in the article is there has not been on report by the obama propaganda machine, the main stream media, that has reported the 200 drone strikes in Pakistan and there has been no reporting of Hussein Obama's war in Uganda. That was a pathetic effort on your part to evade the real issue you and the rest of these pathetic liberals refuse to acknowledge about this POS you call a president.

June 28, 2012 at 6:58 a.m.
Easy123 said...


Of course. I had a feeling you would cling to common misconceptions about SS. SS can't go bankrupt.

How is it the federal governments fault if people choose to be fraudulent?

"States, counties and municipalities could manage these more efficiently."

This is a baseless assumption.

The federal government has given us most of the things we take for granted. You seemed to jump on the defensive really quick. You are obviously too stupid to think for yourself because you are biting the hand that feeds you.

I don't mooch off the government and the only person bitching and moaning here is you. I also don't live in poverty. I simply realize that we would all be in a heap of trouble without the federal government. Our states can't run on their own. They are running out of money like it's going out of style.

I truly feel sorry for people like you that can't even see how much they benefit and thrive from the programs and services our federal government creates. You can keep crying and pouting about the "inefficient" federal government while the rest of us keep benefiting from it. Heck, you will too.

You live in the greatest country in the world. You can do anything you want on any given day. But you would rather demonize our government and condemn programs and services that you likely benefit from. Our government isn't perfect. A lot of things need reforming and more oversight. But only a fool would fail to recognize how helpful our federal government is. Love it or hate it. We wouldn't be here without it.

June 28, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.
joneses said...

I am out of here as I am on my way to Ohio to close a company and start moving the operations to Tennessee because the employees decided to vote in a Union. To bad as these employees were making fair wages and had decent benefits.

June 28, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
Easy123 said...


Obama never said we would get out of Afghanistan.

And there is no war in Uganda.

June 28, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
anniebelle said...

like I said, jonsey, if President Obama had even tried, which he did, to close Guantamano, the repukes came out screaming about these 'terrorists' can't be tried in our courts, blah, blah, blah. And I guess, you would rather have somebody else's kids going to fight these ridiculous wars, than a drone strike.

June 28, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... Joneses, If you support "limited government", then I assume you will be the first to give up your Social Security benefits, right? How about cutting your Medicare benefits as well? Let's cut roads, police, firemen, hospitals, schools, consumer protections, environmental protection while we are at it as well.

There is no justification for continuing social security and medicare at a federal level. Roads other than interstate hi-ways are state issues. State and local police, education and welfare are state and local citizens issues. Environmental and consumer protection are federal and state issues. We cannot afford and should not be the world police but must maintain a strong defense. Holding a political office has become so rewarding being elected or elected again is the objective regardless of the impact on the country. Something is wrong with a political entity being able to set their own rates of compensation in addition to using the position to increase personal wealth. Local, state and federal governments are out of control with people encouraging increased involvement by each of them.

June 28, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.
anniebelle said...

And as far as there still being a military presence in Iraq, we still have military in Korea, Germany, all over the world. That's just the way these war loving GOP Americans roll.

June 28, 2012 at 7:12 a.m.
joneses said...


You are still a liar or just plain stupid. I have never said in any of my post ever I am for any war. I am saying you attack the Tea Party for wanting war but this POS you call a president is the one going to war and you say nothing. By the way when did this POS uyou call a president care what anyone thinks of his decisions?

June 28, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...


I was not encouraging increased involvement by any form of government.

June 28, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
joneses said...


We have troops in Uganda. Obama said he would end the war in Afghanistan and close Gitmo. He also said he would cut to debt in half. This pathetic POS you call a president lied to you and you are a liar as well. I have to go as I have responsibilities that out weigh conversing with idiots.

June 28, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
Easy123 said...


100 troops were sent to aid the Ugandan government in catching Joseph Kony. #1 on the World's Most Wanted list. We have troops in Korea and Germany too. Are we at war in those countries?

You didn't say he would end the war. You said he promised to get out of Afghanistan. Obama said he would finish the job in Afghanistan.

"Obama promised we would get out of Afghanistan". -your quote.

You get all defensive and try to curse and name call. When, in fact, you are the liar. I have pointed that out a couple times now. I have said nothing constituting a lie. The President hasn't lied to me.

I think you're just running away because you don't like getting called out.

June 28, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
genuinejake said...

I'll never forget reading about Rick Santorum's favorite president - Abraham Lincoln. I wrote him to challenge him that if he were president today, Santorum (and many GOPers like him) would never vote for the man. He never replied, and, when I crossed him in the hallways of Congress about 7-8 years ago, I approached him with the same concern, and he replied with a hackneyed answer. Later that year, he removed the "my favorite president" portion from his website. Maybe he read more about Lincoln.

June 28, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
limric said...

Look at those cute little baby vampires. Corporate America's proudest accomplishment.

It’s all Obamas, minorities, gays, Muslims, liberals, the 99% fault. Anyone but their own. Blind to the personal failings of their own making (where were you all for the last 20 years) and they don't see the real enemy is the corporations who are turning all of us into serfs in perpetuity. The issue isn’t their brain washed 1950’s ideology, or the poster Jones’s (he being a self-disenfranchised, whiney paranoid white social security hypocrite longing to see the return of a time where he can pinch women on the butt in public and/or call a Black person a n****r to his face without fear of reprisal) thoroughly miss-guided notion of socialism, it is fascism, and it's already here, and we're its victims. TEA Party must therefore stand for Tyranny Everywhere Always.

And the very idea that they, "they" - being the tea party activists - have the power is hilarious. Psst, you cute little trolls were co-opted long ago and have as much power as a child in the back seat with a fake steering wheel. Until the REAL power - economic corruption - is taken out of the electoral system the people will never have any power.

Hey! Isn't that one of the things that the occupy movement is protesting against?

June 28, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
moon4kat said...

joneses, you sound like a very disagreeable person: spewing invective, and getting sick thrill out of hating.

June 28, 2012 at 8:25 a.m.
dude_abides said...

lol... A Feast of Friends

June 28, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
Reardon said...

It's about time somebody deconstructed the Legend of Lincoln.

June 28, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
raygunz said...

joneses said...

I am out of here as I am on my way to Ohio to close a company and start moving the operations to Tennessee because the employees decided to vote in a Union. To bad as these employees were making fair wages and had decent benefits.

I wouldn't broadcast that too much if I were you,as it happens to be against the law!

June 28, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
chatt_man said...

limric - here we are having a conversation of ideas and political differences, and here you come invoking race into a place it has no need or bearing. "white social security hypocrite longing to see the return of a time where he can pinch women on the butt in public and/or call a Black person a n****r"

You are despicable and the epitome of the race problem so many people are trying to improve upon. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

So limric, take take your poems of hate somewhere else, you and they are not needed where constructive people (for the most part) are trying to have a meaningful discussion.

June 28, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.

Clay is scared of regular folks who are law-abiding citzens, it's obvious.

June 28, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Stick that up your right wing. Health care passed and you idiots need to STFU from here on out. I couldn't resist popping in to rub your nasty little noses in it. Now you can return to your petty arguments and petty lives. Jones, Tu, BRP, all of you idiots were wrong. Wrong Wrong Wrong. ROFLMAO

June 28, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama's dancing in the streets now. But just wait until Blue cross Blue shield sends out letters telling it's customers that they can no longer sustain coverage for them. 77% of the American people oppose Obamacare. Obama and the democratic congress passed Obamacare in the dark of night on Christmas eve. Now there's transparency for you!

The States can still opt out though.

June 28, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

onetinydick: It ain't over fag.

June 28, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...


You're just making stuff up now.

And a homophobic slur! LMAO!

June 28, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
mymy said...

OneTin: It is not over. The silent majority will be out in Nov.!

June 28, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The health care bill is not about health care. The health care bill is about the expansion of government and the total loss of freedom. Once the federal government has control of your health care, that means they can dictate your behavior. That's what it's about. That's why the Democrats want this."

If 77% of the people oppose most of Obamacare, why are the democrats so damn happy that it passed? They should be worried about what is to come. HAHA! I bet easy had to change underroos three time already!! HAHA!!

June 28, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ultimate irony: BHO, blessing be upon him, voted AGAINST confirmation of John Roberts.

June 28, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
LibDem said...

CNN says Obamacare's been upheld. Fox is interviewing Murdoch on the split of News Corp.

June 28, 2012 at 11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I guess there's plenty of wood over at MSNBC.

June 28, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

A lie because politifact says so? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! EASY EASY EASY!! All liberal all the time!! A lie strictly because a liberal website says it is!! HAHA!!! POLITIFAUX!! hahahaha!! You better leave that thing alone or it's gonna fall off kid!!

June 28, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

LibDem: their splitting News Corp. so they can expand easier. Not because they're going out of business. DUUUHHH!

June 28, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
tderng said...

Obama Administration has passed a tax on the poor and middle class of America! SCOTUS ruled that the individual mandate could not stand under the commerce clause but ruled that the law now becomes a tax.He has now lied about not taxing the poor and middle class.This will now become a mess as SCOTUS also ruled that the states cannot be compelled to comply by withholding medicare funds. The Separator in Chief drives a wedge further between the American people. Obama has now created the largest tax increase in the history of the United States. What a great leader he has turned out to be! (not!!!!)

June 28, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's right tderng. They jump for joy now, but once the dust settles down, They'll soon realize how foolish they were.

When a healthy 30 year old if forced to give up another large chunk of the paycheck every week to pay for a knee transplant for someone 3,000 miles away, the shi# will hit the fan.

June 28, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
TOES02800 said...
June 28, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, the Messiah (blessed be his name) found a way to impart a HUGE middle-class tax increase.

June 28, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
tderng said...

Agreed tu. This will get the conservative people in the U.S. out to vote in November in huge numbers. It will probably make 2010 look like a warm-up election.

June 28, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
mymy said...

All the lefties want the rich to pay more taxes and Obama just gave the middle class a big Obamacare tax hike. Put that in you pipes and smoke it!

June 28, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
anniebelle said...

I live in a reality based world, tutu, I know full well what we would have been up against had President Obama even tried to end that war before he did and I don't believe you are that stupid that you don't know that, I could be wrong.

June 28, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
anniebelle said...

That's because of what they would be up against in the real world - not the fantasy world you live in. All this money that is invested in bombs and bullets, what in the world would these war hawks do. You know, and i know, so don't play your stupid card.

June 28, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Looks like a lot of whining and crying from the usual suspects! Are ya'll mad?


June 28, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ol' JD not mad...Best ammo Romney could get for clear-thinkers to come together. Alas, the anointed one (blessings be upon him) has once again broken a campaign tax increases for the middle class.

June 28, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
patriot1 said...

I never thought of myself as a tea partier until 10:00am this morning.

June 28, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
tderng said...

anniebelle said: All this money that is invested in bombs and bullets, what in the world would these war hawks do.

Well for one thing they would probably be speaking a different language. These "war hawks" are the people who help keep this country the most powerful nation in the world. These "war hawks" help keep some of these countries from invading other countries because they know we have the power to stop them and annihilate their armies.These "war hawks" helped free Europe during two world wars.Perhaps you would rather Hitler had won and continued to exterminate the Jews and then turn to the other races who weren't purely Germanic. Maybe you are one of these pie in the sky people who think that if we would just disarm then the rest of the world would do the same thing.Talk about living in a fantasy world!

June 28, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Memo to all 99%'ers. Bend over.

June 28, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

At least BHO. blessings be upon him, didn't say "read my lips".

June 28, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.

I guess I can now quit my job and follow my dream of being a fry cook/dive instructor in the Keys. All these years I have been forced to work for my health benifits, part of the reward for graduating collage with an applied science degree. Now that I've paid off my student loans after 10 yrs I get to pay just a little more for the betterment of my fellow citizen. I don't mind. I'm already paying for a house worth less than I owe and writing a check to the government each year because I didn't have children. So now I think I should get fired and follow my dream. I can get unemployment,food stamps, and healthcare. I can move to Key Largo and cook griddles for the tourist, while diving on my days off. Someone will pay for my part of the healthcare tax because I will make sure not to report those tips. I've had enough. Damn responsibility and God Bless America.

June 28, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
EaTn said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"Memo to all 99%'ers. Bend over.".......Yep, you can bend over and get a proctologist, urologist, gastroenterologist, etc exam now without having to wait until whatever ails you gets so bad that you wind-up in the ER just before it kills you and your last doctor visit is a pathologist.

June 28, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
miraweb said...

Well said, EaTn. I have a Massachusetts friend who said she was unsure about the national health care program.

The insurers have been so successful in blowing smoke on this one that she didn't understand she already has - and likes - the same thing.

Keep in mind that the only thing insurers would fight this much is any bill that takes money from their oversized pockets and puts it back in yours.

But who would want that.

June 28, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.

I enjoy satire but in all seriousness , if that is a word, does anyone believe that the indigent poplulation will suddenly become responsible and make DR appointments to improve their well being? A lot of these folks can't read but they are suddenly going to take responsibility for thier own actions? Make and keep wellness visits? If they can't drive to get an ID to vote who will be driving them to the DR? I guess it is easier to tax those in debt with a job they need. but no worries I'm not addicted to stuff so I'll be waiting for you in Largo.

June 28, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
chatt_man said...

DJH, you don't have to resort to the life of an "on the dole" pauper. Just fill out for a grant from the EPA, claiming you are studying the lingering damaging effects of the oil refineries just off the coast of the Keys, then file for an "upside-down" house loan repayment program. Sh*t, before you know it, you will be living the life of luxury, enjoying the things you thought you could only do in retirement. Especially since there won't be any retirement.

Oh, and sorry you wasted all that money for school.

June 28, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Poor people sit in emergency rooms waiting for hours for care every day, in every hospital in this area. Yeah, they'll make and keep the appointments. As you can see by looking at the emergency room waiting areas, they are already waiting as long as it takes to be seen and get care.

June 28, 2012 at 2 p.m.

you re right 328 all night and all day. Erlanger is over run and Memorial waits'em out but Pridge is fastER. So you think the indigent will suddenly become self suffient and decide to fillout the forms they can't read and pay a copay they don't have to prevent a problem they don't know about? You are thinking like a responsible person.

June 28, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
chatt_man said...

And EaTn, I'm sure Jack will be long gone before he comes up on the waiting list for all the services you mentioned.

I guess the good news is that the pathologist wait will most likely be the shortest.

June 28, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
chatt_man said...

With what we now know about Obama having kill lists, will we now have to declare our party affiliation before receiving our wonderful health care services.

June 28, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Where are you getting this illiteracy claim? Just because poor have lower literacy skills doesn't mean they cannot read all together.

You don't have to be "self-sufficient" to fill out a form at the hospital. A pre-teen could fill out a hospital form.

June 28, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

Reading the opinion shows the math that was in front of the justices. They state that a family pays an average of $83.33 per month now in higher premiums to cover those who don't have - or can't - get insurance. The penalty for not having insurance - which the court says is no crime and you can choose to do - is $57.91 per month. So if the rest of us get insurance and you decide to pay the penalty - you are still getting a break from what you're paying now.

June 28, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
shifarobe said...


IT'S OFFICIAL NOW. Guess BO misspoke when he said it wasn't a tax, huh????


June 28, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.


I think a grant to study sea turtle copulation is over due. Perhaps a pell grant to complete a marine biologist degree is in order. As long as I don't make too much money in the next two tax cylces someone else can pay for it. And everyone likes sea turtles. Don't they?

June 28, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
joneses said...

Another trillion dollars added to obastard's debt.

Philip Klein points us to this AP story, in which Richard Foster, Chief Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, says that, due to a glitch in Obamacare, married couples of early retirees making around $64,000 a year will become eligible for Medicaid. That’s more than four times the federal poverty level of $14,710. According to Foster, as many as 3 million Americans will qualify for the benefit. It’s “a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.”

If we do a back-of-the-envelope calculation, in which the average annual Medicaid expenditure per early retiree is $15,000 per year, the ten-year cost of this glitch could be as high as $450 billion. Even if only half of those eligible opt to take advantage of the loophole, we’re talking at least $250-300 billion, as the sickest patients are the ones most likely to enroll. And the long-term cost could be in the trillions. “It’s almost like allowing middle-class people to qualify for food stamps, [Foster] suggested”:

June 28, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.

EAsy123 I wish that was true. but our education system has left so many behind. In order to help most people will need additional social support. Illiteracy is a huge problem. It ties directly to poverty and the struggle to overcome. Who will fill out the insurance form, make the appointment and fill the perscription? It's easier to call an ambulance when you need one than to pay the copays and find someone to ride you to the office.

June 28, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
alprova said...

Can't you people read? The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate can survive, unless it was considered to be a tax, meaning that it couldn't survive under the commerce clause. Congress moset certainly does have the authority to collect taxes for the common good.

You people claiming that this tax will hurt the poor and the middle classes, think again, and your inablity to grasp certain realities is astounding.

Those who make less than a certain percentage over the poverty line will receive assistance in paying their insurance premiums. The truly poor will have 100% of their premiums paid by the taxpayers.

And before any of you start harping that there is no money to pay for those premiums for the poor, consider what it costs the Government now, as part of the costs for indigent care paid to hospitals for the uninsured.

Which is more expensive? Insurance premiums or an entire hospital bill?

God Bless the Supreme Court and their infinite wisdom.

June 28, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
shifarobe said...


What an EPHIN lying piece of dog crap.

June 28, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
EaTn said...

The bipartisan Congress and President Obama approved health care law has been blessed-off by the Supreme Court. Next issue....

June 28, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
anniebelle said...

To all on this board who watch Faux News, my apologies. I was in the grocery store when this ruling came down and across Faux News crawl read: ObamaCare Struck Down by the Supreme Court. I mean how could you know what's going on with that intellectual journalism; Shifforbrains, you are the liar here.

June 28, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
shifarobe said...


June 28, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
shifarobe said...

HIS OWN WORDS, ANNIEBUTT! HIS OWN WORDS! HE IS A LIAR. He knew all along it 's a tax. IT IS A TAAAAAAAAAXXX! DAMN, you liberals are transparentLOL

June 28, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
shifarobe said...

THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD when our economy sucks. YEEEAAAAAH, that's gonna sit well!!

June 28, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
shifarobe said...


June 28, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

anniebelle said... To all on this board who watch Faux News, my apologies. I was in the grocery store when this ruling came down and across Faux News crawl read: ObamaCare Struck Down by the Supreme Court.

CNN did it too. I am not surprised that Fox did it, but CNN? They all lie, or spin to what their masters say, but I didn't think CNN would be caught with their pants down.

June 28, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
mtngrl said...

shifarobe said...


Got any data to back up that claim? cause that is a total lie

For you and Jack Dennis who is trying to basically say the same thing... The tax penalty only affects those who do not have insurance and who refuse to purchase it after 2014. This is hardly a huge tax. Especially if you consider there is no penalty for not paying it at all.

So that is right, you can refuse to get insurance and not pay the penalty and nothing will be done.

So how is this such a HUGE tax like you 2 are trying to claim?

June 28, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...


and you are an idiot! It is a tax. It has always been a tax. It is not against the law to not have health insurance. There is a tax incentive to have health insurance. I agree with Annie, "Shifforbrains, you are the liar here."

June 28, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
wallyworld said...

You can always tell the Faux News and ConservitiveNonNews watchers. They display their ignorance on this board daily. You can scream your lies all you want to shifforbrains, but we don't hear you!!!!!!!!!!

June 28, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
shifarobe said...

OH, MTNGRL, let's not quibble about a few dollars. You know it's as large BO's ego. Which is pretty DAMN BIG!! NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, justonedummy, ITS NOW OFFICIAL, JOHN ROBERTS EXPOSED IT FOR WHAT IT IS....A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE TAX!!

Maybe you should've read it before it was passed,LOLL It's a TAX.

NO, penalty, huh?????? Roberts said you must comply, it's a TAX! WATCH OUT FOR THE IRS.

June 28, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
Sean_Dickerson said...

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally, he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are." - H.L. Mencken, Smart Set magazine, December 1919.

Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? Or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?”(Psalm 94:16)

“And I [i.e., the LORD God Almighty] sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.”(Ezekiel 22:30) No one is obligated or bound to obey usurped power and those who do will be judged by God for rebellion. Obedience to tyrants is rebellion to God.

"The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." --Andrew Jackson The Constitution of the USA Article 4 Section 4 Republican form of government guaranteed. Each State to be protected. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened), against domestic violence.

I sought for the greatness and the genius of America in her ample rivers-it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits ablaze with righteousness did I meet the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good-America will cease to be great.-Alexis de Tocqueville

American Christian Constitutional Republic

The Flag of the Confederate States of America is flown because the south was right. The war was NOT fought over slavery!! The Confederate Constitution made slavery illegal. The slaves were to be freed. It was fought over States rights.

A message from the American Christian Constitutional Republic

June 28, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You're an idiot.

June 28, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
Sean_Dickerson said...

When America went to sleep after the Civil War, these demonic beings "crept in unawares" (Jude 4). As soon as the Union won the Civil War, that is when they really began to dumb down the school systems, etc. The Civil War was primarily a war of aggression to bring the WHOLE COUNTRY -- United States -- into slavery, not just the black race. And it wasn't just to free the black slaves at that time, but to use Federal control to bring EVERYONE into slavery. They cried "Peace and Safety" (1 Thessalonians 5:3) and sudden destruction occurred. So now what have I been doing anymore? I have been seeking out the truth. That is all I have mostly cared about anymore. It's why I woke up and joined the Truth Movement, and became what's know as a "truther" (especially in regards to the lies we were fed about 9/11). I am also concerned about what is happening to people and what's happening to the world around us. In other words -- being socially aware.

June 28, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
Sean_Dickerson said...

Just look at how the New World Order has slowly manifested itself through creeping incrementalism. The public government schools, for one thing, have become a cesspool for not only just perversion of young children's minds, but dumbing them down. Look at how these youngsters now in this generation walk around everywhere up and down the street with their little apparatuses and electronic devices, i.e. cellphones, etc.-- whatever they have. This is all they really know in the new era of practical Babylon. It's all they ever do most all the time having their faces buried in those gadgets, or playing with their X-Boxes, or Sony Play Stations. They don't go outside most of the time nor do they get a lot of exercise much at all. They sit there eating fast food, donuts or other junk food their parents let them eat, giving themselves hyperactivity, or even diabetes, gaining weight, etc. Or they go around with their pants halfway down their rear-ends, or wear tattoos and piercings. Why don't they wear a belt? So they have their little gadgets and gizmos in front of their faces, texting, and so on. You may as well take their brain out of their head and put them in their hand, because that's what it is. And this is supposed to be the future of America???

And now we have people in the school systems -- what are they teaching them? How to eat crap or drink piss! This is what passes for public education now! And what else? They also now get to learn how to have sex with a man or a woman -- or BOTH! They teach kids to grow up and become sodomites or lesbians or how to have sex with adults at the age they are now. Who knows, maybe if the next item on the agenda is to teach them how to have sex with animals or pets?! And this is now called "diversity" in a "global" community. They tell us "welcome to the real world". What -- the NEW WORLD? You know we live in a SICK world, if anything! It's rotten to the core! They've already destroyed our social structure with homosexuality, and all these other wicked, abominable perversions. And yes, that's right, that's what I said -- perversions! That's what they are! We also see a Police State on the rise. We see a lot of that, too, which is why free thinkers are now being identified as "enemies of the State". Then strange types of Civil authorities come to our doors where we live here or where ever. They take us to some kind of jail or prison or probably even eventually some kind of concentration camp while they are at it.

June 28, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
Sean_Dickerson said...

You know, if the free thinkers somehow become privy to what is going on, and it has been revealed to them in some form or another, and if we are intuitive enough to discern the times that we are living in now, somehow we are considered as a threat to these global elitists. If we have been well-illuminated and God has opened our eyes to what is now occurring in this society, somehow we are put on some kind of "watch list" for being too suspicious. These Socialist, Progressive New-World-Order-Marxist Agenda bastards PERCEIVE US AS BEING "TERRORISTS"? But who are the REAL TERRORISTS?! The many of the slime-balls who have infiltrated this government! The fascist scum who have taken over this Republic with their tyranny! And so if they come to get us at our homes, and takes us out -- what happens then? Well, we know that it's over when that happens. See, we free-thinkers know very well that they know what we know about them. That is exactly why they do not want me of few others around in circulation to infect the population with the truth about them. They don't want me sprinkling seeds of knowledge like this out there. That's what the real problem is for them. They don't want me sowing seeds of knowledge in anyone's minds or hearts and souls. Okay? This is their dictatorial takeover of our society. That's what they want.

June 28, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Could the dems find anyone more loathsome to run out than Nancy Pelosi? Good gawd almighty.

June 28, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
shifarobe said...

OH, so it's always been a TAX, Justonedumbfeministcow? Then that quote from BO I posted before makes him out to be quite the liar, huh?????? huh????? YOU LEFTIST POWER HUNGRY PIGS AIN'T FOOKIN' ANYONE. Roberts ruled it's A TAX. LIVE WITH IT.

June 28, 2012 at 3:34 p.m.
sla2010 said...

these well thought out and bashing comments are the highlight humor of my day.

June 28, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
mtngrl said...

If you have insurance, there is no tax. period.

There is a tax incentive to encourage you to get insurance if you don't have any, but if you refuse there is no penalty what so ever for not paying that tax.

So what are your panties all in a wad for?

Just cause you keep saying it doesn't make it true shifarobe.

June 28, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Almost all polls say well over 50% of Americans oppose Obamatax. Thus, this ruling could galvanize the middle and right.

June 28, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Of the 51% opposed to the Affordable Care Act, about 13% oppose it because it is not liberal enough. They want single payer.

I'm waiting around to see how many times The Free Press will lie to us in an editorial by calling it anything other than the Affordable Care Act.

June 28, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

There were a couple of digs in the Opinion where the court seemed to be reminding Congress that if they pass a law and send it to the President, they shouldn't come crying to the Supreme Court to change it for them. The court has long stated that if Congress wants to change a law, they have all the tools to do it. If they don't have the votes to change it, the court isn't an alternative.

From the opinion:

"When a court confronts an unconstitutional statute, its endeavor must be to conserve, not destroy, the legislation."

And in summarizing the government's position they said:

"Because 'every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality,' . . . the question is whether it is 'fairly possible' to interpret the mandate as imposing such a tax."

June 28, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
shifarobe said...

My Lord! The idiocy of the left!! So willing to give up freedom and individuality!!! What are you scared of????? Control freaks!!

June 28, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You're an idiot.

June 28, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

I was a little curious who the National Federation of Independent Business, listed in the opinion, really was.

Their website lists Susan Eckerly as their public policy person. Her previous two jobs were in the Bush administration as Labor Secretary and as the director of "Citizens for a Sound Economy" which was an operation on behalf of the ever-present Koch brothers.

Fingers in every pie, it seems.

June 28, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
mtngrl said...

shifarobe, I am not giving up any freedom or individuality at all. Neither am I scared.

What are you so scared of?

June 28, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
mymy said...

Obamacare is a tax. The Congress (dems did this). They can control taxes for now, but we can fire them!

In 2010 we went to the ballot box and found a few Democrats to flush. In 2012 we will do it again.

June 28, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
mymy said...

mtngrl said...

"I am not giving up any freedom or individuality at all. Neither am I scared."

Your to dumb to see why you should be afraid. Just hide and watch.

June 28, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...


I guess you hopped on the idiot train with shifarobe. You have no clue why anyone should be afraid. Everything you believe about the subject is based on misinformation or ignorance.

June 28, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

If I watched faux, and thought like these bigots did, I would be scared too. The fear mongering has been so vile, these people believe anything their news masters tell them. They do not understand entertainment from news. They do not understand that fox won a lawsuit that said they had a right to lie to the public. They do not understand that Fox is not allowed on the air in Canada because they don't allow lies with news. One of the hardest things to do is to let people be wrong. But let them. Let them be entertained and wrong. At least we will know who they are.

June 28, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

I just saw the CEO of Cigna on CNBC with Maria. They know they are going to make money because of the healthcare insurance exchange market.

All of y'all howling about financial doom will be watching that healthcare market ticker on TV when it opens in 2014.

The reason why the insurance industry does not complain about this legislation is because they know this law creates a new form of finance. The chance to participate in a new market only comes along every few generations. You thought a dotcom IPO was big? Wait until you see a new market for a new form of money open. Fortunes will be made and lost on the first day.

The GOP and the Tea Party will be the first in line to trade on the health care insurance exchange market. You watch and see. They'll sing its praises when they make money off of day trading in it.

June 28, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...


That is great advice!

OBAMA 2012!

June 28, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...


Clay Bennett does not like the Republican party and absolutely worships the Demokrat party.

Boring as hell.

I am pretty sure we can expect him to stay at his drawing board until midnight working on his take on the Obamacare ruling. yawn.

June 28, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: All you do is make nasty retorts. Please contribute in an adult fashion. That is all. Thank you so much.

June 28, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BigRidge: I can take clay123's leftism. It's his lack of talent that offends.

June 28, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.
shen said...

BRP, the same can be said about the right side of TFP cartoonist. The attacks on the Democrats by the right side of TFP editorials have been especially brutal and ruthless at times. At least Clay has a sense of humor with his cartoons.

June 28, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.
joneses said...

No more private hospitals will be built under obastardcare.

"Physician Hospitals of America says that construction had to stop at 45 hospitals nationwide or they would not be able to bill Medicare for treatments." Stopping construction at doctor-owned hospitals might not seem like the best way to boost the economy or to promote greater access and choice in health care, but that exactly what Obamacare is doing.

Kenneth Artz of the Heartland Institute explains, "Section 6001 of the health care law effectively bans new physician-owned hospitals (POHs) from starting up, and it keeps existing ones from expanding." Politico adds, "Friday [New Year's Eve] marked the last day physician-owned hospitals could get Medicare certification covering their new or expanded hospitals, one of the latest provisions of the reform law to go into effect."

June 28, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
raygunz said...

Congratulations to anyone who owns stock in the companies who make tranquilizers and,or blood-pressure medications! Today was a very good day for them. lol!

June 28, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BHO's (peace be upon him) obamatax may come back to bite him in the butt.

June 28, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
raygunz said...

The Supreme Court ruling gives the federal government taxing authority, which is by no means the same as the imposition of a broad new tax.

No, this is not a massive tax increase on the American people. It's a penalty paid by people who choose not to purchase insurance. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will hit about 4 million Americans, about 1 percent of the population. Now, it's refreshing that Republicans care about a different 1 percent for a change, but that still doesn't make this a tax hike.

And what's (way, way) more, most of the federal spending for the ACA is in tax credits for middle class people to help them afford insurance. Which is actually more like a tax cut.

Facts aside, since you know Republicans won't be swayed by them, here's the other part that Republicans, particularly Romney, have to tread carefully around. It's exactly how Mitt Romney expanded health insurance coverage in Massachusetts. If you don't buy health insurance in Massachusetts, guess what? You pay a tax, as Mr. Romney explains at that link. You pay a tax and take personal responsibility. (Remember that phrase, Mr. Romney? It's a real favorite in your set. Or was.)Joan McCarter

June 28, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You aren't telling the whole story.

Physicians have ownership interests in private hospitals.

"Numerous studies have found that when doctors have a financial stake in a hospital, they tend to order more tests and procedures, raising costs for Medicare and other insurers."

“A number of hospitals broke ground with the expectation that they would be able to operate under Medicare,” Mr. Pitts said. “The health care law changed the rules midgame, jeopardizing potentially thousands of jobs to build and staff these facilities. This provision would allow these hospitals that were already under construction prior to Dec. 31 to operate under Medicare for services provided to Medicare beneficiaries.” Richard J. Umbdenstock, the president of the American Hospital Association, said his group could not support the House Republican bill because it would cut Medicare payments to hospitals, forcing some to “limit services and limit access for patients.”

"Mr. Umbdenstock also deplored the loosening of restrictions on doctor-owned hospitals.

“Research shows that there is more utilization of services when hospitals are owned by physicians,” Mr. Umbdenstock said.

Doctor-owned hospitals, he said, tend to focus on the more profitable types of business, “leaving community hospitals with the more acutely ill patients and those who are uninsured or have coverage through public programs.”

Less doctor-owned hospitals is a good thing for sick people. Less unneeded tests and procedures. That means less money out of pocket from sick people for useless test and procedures.

June 28, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Roberts was the face of the Right-wing on the SCOTUS. Now you are throwing him under the bus? LOL!

If the 4 dissenters hadn't wanted a total striking down of the ACA, we might be looking at a 5-4 decision to strike down the individual mandate. They (the dissenters) went too far and Roberts couldn't side with them.

June 28, 2012 at 7 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Heck yes, he was. He was as partisan as Scalia or Thomas. How can you argue otherwise? He was G. W. Bush's prized possession.

June 28, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
tderng said...

I guess next if we all don't buy general motors we're gonna be taxed

June 28, 2012 at 7:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Are you currently insured?

June 28, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
mtnman1 said...

guess they wouldn't publish the one with the libtards taking it missionary from Obama while the rest of us (the tax payers) get it forced from behind. This TAX will not stand! See you all in November.

June 28, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
raygunz said...

Note to "righties", if y'all want to impeach Chief Justice Roberts now, there are plenty of "lefties" out here who'll be glad to help you!

June 28, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Roberts help put the kibosh on the over-use of the commerce clause. Unlike the left, I can take it when a decision goes against my grain. Roberts is fine by me.

June 28, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123 yes I am. I have also spent time uninsured.The problem I have is having anything shoved down MY throat. I am not a fan of having anything FORCED on me. Personally I don't think I should be forced to wear a seat belt or made to wear a motorcycle helmet without punitive action by the government.It should be MY choice.I know the repercussions of my actions,I should be able to make my own choice.

June 28, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You don't have to take the insurance. The penalty is 1% starting in 2014. 2% in 2015 and 2.5% in 2016.

Since you are insured, you will not face any penalty. Nothing was forced on you. You chose to be responsible for your health and become insured. Very smart move on your part and totally a voluntary choice.

So please, tell me, what is your gripe here? You will face no penalty and will reap the benefits of lower premiums.

June 28, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

I got a good laugh when Shifa's last comment came over my political spam box attributed to one Rush Limbaugh. I got an even better laugh when I read the email. Apparently the Tea Party has decided to robo-call you into a frenzy. Be prepared to be frenzified.


"We need True Patriots ready to step up and take charge!

"The Tea Party is going to dial 1 Million Households with the powerful message about'America's Fraud President'

"How are we going to do this?

  1. Test-call a geographic area and determine if that area is ripe for our message of 'America's Fraud President' if the area is ready, then on to the next step.

  2. Telephone call the Households in the tested geographic area with over 100,000 calls spreading the message of 'America's Fraud President'. Once that area has been saturated, move on to the next geographic area.

  3. Systematically move across America until 1 Million Households have been dialed!

"Does this make sense to you? This plan will work in our favor because it allows time to raise necessary funds to call across America."

-- And here is where they say the money goes: --

Here are some of the things we need to pay for...

  • Fees related to State registration and FCC compliance documents.
  • Renting targeted phone numbers of Households across America.
  • Setup an Outgoing telephone call system.
  • Write effective telephone scripts.
  • Pay for long distance charges.
  • Prepare batteries of live operators for this monumental task.
  • Create and review quality control for a uniform message.
  • Pay most fundraising costs — up front!
  • Deploy our accounting staff to manage the costs.
  • Prepare our Attorney team for the attacks from the Obamites.
  • ...and so much more!

-- SOOOOoooo glad my phone has call blocking. --

June 28, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

It is a tax, it has always been a tax whether an individual buys insurance to avoid the tax or just pays the tax penalty and does not buy insurance. It may therefore, qualify as deductible as a part of an individuals or families health care cost. Read the bill, more taxes await the middle income that were promised no tax increases.

I personally think Obama is the flower of the white house, "a blooming idiot," but I am not naive enough to think he is not a shoo in for a second term.

June 28, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.

I agree with Harp. It has always been a tax, but the Democrats didn't want to label it that.

I think I read the word penalty is used 18 times in it. 21 tax increases amounting to 700 billion, I read in a few sources. I also agree that Obama is a liar, and middle income people will get hit hard.

You know something bad is happening when Nancy Pelosi flashes that baboon-like grin.

Obama is an idiot. He doesn't give a hoot about running us into the ground. When he leaves office, hopefully in January, he'll become a very, very wealthy man, while the rest of us will have to deal with fees and taxes that won't affect him.

June 28, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.
tderng said...

east123 My gripe is a government that says I (as in any citizen) have to purchase anything. If I choose not to do so then I shouldn't be punished by the government for that choice. This has the potential for government abuse. What's next? If I choose to not purchase healthy food will I be "taxed" for not doing so? Also,we don't know that premiums will go down.Many believe they will go up as they did in Massachusetts. 23% if my memory serves me.Could be wrong on that.

June 28, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Good call tu_quoque! You were so sure you knew how the SCOTUS would rule that you even suggested one of the liberal posters bring a trauma bag to help deal with their loss! This goes not to the politics of the situation, but to your total, and as we see, unfounded self assurance. The only way you could be seen as more pathetic is if you fail to admit you were wrong.

June 28, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "It is a tax, it has always been a tax whether an individual buys insurance to avoid the tax or just pays the tax penalty and does not buy insurance."

Harp, regardless of what it is deemed and described going forward, It was described in the ACA, and this is a paraphrase: If someone refuses to insure themselves under the health care mandate, the amount paid (as a tax) represents a premium paid for the Government to cover medical expenses incurred, if one were to wind up in the hospital or in any situation where they are unable to pay their medical bills.

The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate could not survive as written under the Commerce Clause, but it can survive as a tax, imposed by Congress. So it will be rewritten to meet that criteria.

"It may therefore, qualify as deductible as a part of an individuals or families health care cost."

It would have been deductible as it was written, under current IRS regulations. Now to claim it as a deduction will be assured.

"Read the bill, more taxes await the middle income that were promised no tax increases."


June 28, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
raygunz said...

Please allow me to post this again as some apparently failed to read(or understand maybe)the earlier version;

The Supreme Court ruling gives the federal government taxing authority, which is by no means the same as the imposition of a broad new tax.

No, this is not a massive tax increase on the American people. It's a penalty paid by people who choose not to purchase insurance. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will hit about 4 million Americans, about 1 percent of the population. Now, it's refreshing that Republicans care about a different 1 percent for a change, but that still doesn't make this a tax hike.

And what's (way, way) more, most of the federal spending for the ACA is in tax credits for middle class people to help them afford insurance. Which is actually more like a tax cut.

Facts aside, since you know Republicans won't be swayed by them, here's the other part that Republicans, particularly Romney, have to tread carefully around. It's exactly how Mitt Romney expanded health insurance coverage in Massachusetts. If you don't buy health insurance in Massachusetts, guess what? You pay a tax, as Mr. Romney explains at that link. You pay a tax and take personal responsibility. (Remember that phrase, Mr. Romney? It's a real favorite in your set. Or was.)Joan McCarter

June 28, 2012 at 10:35 p.m.
alprova said...

It's been a pleasure reading all the posts from the right-wingers going nuts today. Entertaining, to say the least.

Much of what has been written exposes Republican cheerleader hypocrisy, especially regarding this issue.

Years ago, when I myself cheered for the Republican Party, Republicans stood for self-responsibility and expected people to be self-reliant and self-supporting.

Self-responsibility today for many Republicans, involves doing nothing at all and throwing people into the water to sink or swim. It involves a calling for the phasing out of Social Security and Medicare for future generations, or to replace these two programs with private investment accounts, without an ounce of consideration as to what people without enough money to invest are to do, or what people would do if markets crash again and such investments are lost.

What do you people think the health care mandate is all about? It was a Republican ideal before the Democrats adopted it. Then the Republicans did a complete 180 degree turn.

Now, an expectation for people to take the bull by the horn and insure themselves against expensive medical bills that they cannot possibly pay and that currently fall into the hands of the taxpayers to deal with, is a BAD thing all of a sudden?

It's simple common sense. Even if the taxpayers must pay insurance premiums for a fifth of the population of this nation, rather than medical bills to doctors and hospitals, which is cheaper to pay?

The objections to the now defined tax that represents the payment to the Gov't to cover the medical bills for someone who makes a conscience choice to not insure themselves, is not steep. Beginning in 2014, it amounts to $95.00 or 1% of a person's income, whichever it greater. By 2016, it increases to just 2.5% of one's income.

A family of four, earning $60,000 a year, qualifies for a $5,000 tax credit to help them pay for medical insurance, so there is definitely an incentive built in for the middle class to seek to insure themselves for medical expenses.

A family of four, with an income of $100,000 a year, who does not insure themselves, would pay a tax of just $2,500 to have the Gov't pay their medical bills. That's $208.33 a month, but would receive no tax credit. Does anyone seriously think that this tax is unreasonable, or that it represents something that people will not be able to afford?

Exemptions also exist for those who simply cannot afford to pay the tax. Insurance premium assistance will exist for those who meet income guidelines, including many who fall into the middle class.

This Faux outrage over ACA is one of several reasons why I feel that the Republican Party has abandoned and thrown over the side of the ship, many of their core principals, in order to seek political advantages.

They are fooling people who have not looked into the Affordable Health Care Act to see what's under the hood.

They are not however, fooling anyone who has.

June 28, 2012 at 11:39 p.m.
alprova said...

I need to correct an earlier statement. The maximum tax imposed a family, regardless of income amounts, who chooses not to purchase insurance during and after 2016, will not exceed $2,085 per year.

I have heard people ask, "If Obamacare is so good, why aren't members of Congress required to have it?" The simple answer to that question is that nobody is "required" to utilize the insurance reforms contained in the Affordable Care Act. Any or every American is certainly allowed to seek insurance coverage outside of those contained in the Affordable Care Act, and people are even allowed to self-insure themselves if they have the means to do so.

That aside, after January 1, 2014, members of Congress and their staff will only be offered health care benefits through health care exchanges that will be set up, or they can choose from plans outlined in the Affordable Care Act.

They will not longer be offered coverage under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

June 29, 2012 at 12:13 a.m.

It may or may not be a tax increase but my employer for the past year or so has been including the portion of my premium it covers on my quarterly benifit statement as income. This subtle change appeared just after ACA was passed. Will I be responsible for income taxes on the premiums they are covering? If so my tax rate may not increase but my tax liability will.

June 29, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
alprova said...

DJHBRAINERD wrote: "Will I be responsible for income taxes on the premiums they are covering?"

There are rumors flying around all over the place, but there has been no movement to impose any taxes on recipients of employer paid medical premiums.

You may notice that this same figure will appear on your W-2 form as well for this year. Next year, it becomes mandatory for employers to include this information on W-2's. It does not have to be reported as income on your tax return.

This is being done to justify tax deductions that employers are allowed to take for providing medical insurance to their employees.

June 29, 2012 at 2:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova saidl....

This is being done to justify tax deductions that employers are allowed to take for providing medical insurance to their employees.

Is it a deduction or a fixed cost for the employer. Are wages and other forms of compensation to employees not a business cost like all other ingredients bought to transition them to a product?

June 29, 2012 at 6:46 a.m.
chet123 said...

lincoln party has been hi-jacked by the gold water republican.....ha ha ha ha

June 29, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "Is it a deduction or a fixed cost for the employer. Are wages and other forms of compensation to employees not a business cost like all other ingredients bought to transition them to a product?"

Where are you going with your questions?

Medical premiums paid by an employer are and always have been deductible and due to tax breaks already in effect, thanks to ObamaCare, small businesses are granted tax credits for providing health care to their employees.

The amounts paid by the employer for major medical, Flexible Savings Accounts in excess of the plan's salary reductions, pre-tax dollars by the employee used to pay for insurance coverage, and domestic partner coverage paid by en employer, are reported in Box 12 under the code DD.

The IRS uses these figures as a comparison and confirmation that the deductions and tax credits claimed are not fraudulent. Their theory is, I suppose, that any employee that notices figures that are not correct, will file an objection to them with the IRS.

While there are rumors that this reporting requirement is a back-door attempt to begin taxing employer paid health care premiums as income, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this is even being considered.,,id=220809,00.html,,id=223666,00.html

June 30, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
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