published Wednesday, April 2nd, 2014

Spurs

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

Once again the federal government is involved in a state issue. State officials respond to people in the state and those people vote for state representatives that address issues they are concerned about.

How to train horses is not one of the powers enumerated to the federal government in the constitution. Cruelty to animals is a sad occurrence but not a federal government issue with federal tax expenses to legislate and enforce. It is an issue people in the state should be concerned about and insist their elected officials address. However, if not then so be it. Surely the U.S. congress has more urgent issues on which to spend time writing, reviewing, debating and trying to reconcile than how some states allow people to train horses. Their 11% approval rating is exaggerated, it is not that high.

April 2, 2014 at 7:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why is Alexander suddenly interested in this touching feel good sensitivity issue? Why did he not do something about this when he was governor of Tennessee? Why does he think it is a federal issue that the U.S. congress must urgently address at this time? Could the pending elections have anything to do with his initiative?

April 2, 2014 at 7:10 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

This controversy makes only slightly less sense than the Tennessee deadly serpent handling industry.

April 2, 2014 at 7:39 a.m.
limric said...

"Why is Alexander suddenly interested in this?"

To paraphrase George Carlin;
It's a distraction Fairmon. It means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.

April 2, 2014 at 7:56 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Why is it just a "state issue", Fairmon? The SOB's elected here in TN (Blackburn, DesJarlais, et al.) have no qualms with allowing the trainers to torture these horses and I suspect that if we allowed it to be handled on a "state level", things would only get worse. SHOW's membership is littered with people that have sored horses and they attempt to buy politicians to keep themselves protected. Alexander must be feeling the heat in his reelection bid, so here is his compromise. The majority of TN residents could give a sh!t about walking horse competitions, but obviously there is enough money in it to continue to injure and maim these animals.

April 2, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Perhaps someone can expand on this, but I believe that people in the industry have admitted that there is no way to get the celebrated Big Lick without cruel methods. That would require a complete reboot of the industry standards for showing to a less exaggerated gait. Given how iconic that gait is, this is no small change.

April 2, 2014 at 8:12 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Why was Corker involved in the UAW vote at VW? There are the many negative reasons that can be attributed to "big fish" playing in a small pond and they may well be true. It's also human nature to want to "get something done" and it's easier for Al or Corky to influence the locals who may be awed by their status than influencing their peers.

April 2, 2014 at 8:18 a.m.
Plato said...

The state has animal cruelty laws but they are not being vigorously enforced on this industry. If the state was doing it's job the Federal Government would not need to step in. State's rights go hand in hand with state's responsibilities.

This is a disgraceful situation that really needs to be cleaned up.

April 2, 2014 at 9:40 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cruelty to animals is just flat wrong.

April 2, 2014 at 10:09 a.m.
LibDem said...

If you need to abuse animals for entertainment, you have some serious issues.

April 2, 2014 at 10:13 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

It's sickening what these horses are subjected to. Any person that thinks treating an animal like that is acceptable has to be a greedy, sick being. Party politics aside, Blackburn and DesJarlais are scumbags for protecting these people.

April 2, 2014 at 10:44 a.m.

No excuse for this. So, this is worth a commenting on, Clay, but not Kermit Gosnell, huh?

April 2, 2014 at 12:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

GaussianInteger said...

The majority of TN residents could give a sh!t about walking horse competitions.

Include me in that number. Alexander thinks this is more important than dealing with postal employees using their employers credit card for personal use at tax payers expense. Members of congress utilize the country club management style.

April 2, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

Plato said...

The state has animal cruelty laws but they are not being vigorously enforced on this industry. If the state was doing it's job the Federal Government would not need to step in. State's rights go hand in hand with state's responsibilities.

Who is to determine what the state's responsibilities are other than Tennessee voting residents? Who selected those awful people in office? Why not insist they do what the majority think they should or replace them? Do people find it easier to shirk their responsibility in local politics and just pass it on to the federal government to do it for them? How much government can you afford if you have to pay for it?

April 2, 2014 at 3:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, it's positions, like those you have taken today, that keeps people from taking you serious.

States have no rights when they refuse to take action to correct that which is totally wrong.

As a Libertarian, you might not see any good reason for the Federal Government to step in and force a reasonable solution, but right is right and wrong will always be wrong.

And because the State of Tennessee refuses to put a stop to it, the Federal Government will.

Tell me...do you still defend slavery as a states right issue?

April 2, 2014 at 4:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo^^^^ A moronic question you asked fairmon. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Stir it up, right pumpkin head?

April 2, 2014 at 4:31 p.m.
wallyworld said...

Cruelty to animals is a sad occurrence but not a federal government issue with federal tax expenses to legislate and enforce. No, the Federal Government has more pressing issues to spend our tax dollars on like looking in people's bedrooms to see about their sex life and standing between a woman and her doctor for decisions she makes about her health, letting her employer decide what she needs in the way of insurance coverage and trying to repeal a law for the 52nd time -- yes, money well spent.

April 2, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

fairmon - please spare us your state's rights mantra.

April 2, 2014 at 5:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM getting frisky just imagining 100% total fed. control.

April 2, 2014 at 5:19 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

And because the State of Tennessee refuses to put a stop to it, the Federal Government will.

Tell me...do you still defend slavery as a states right issue?

alprova...that is a ridiculous comparison. Slavery is a blight on the history of this country it cannot escape and for you to make any comparison to it and the importance of the federal government doing something about how horses are trained is ludicrous.

BTW I didn't realize you were a horses expert although I had often viewed your comments as from the north end of one heading south.

April 2, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Truth, states have shown that they don't always act on the best interest of their residents. Look no further then Governor Wallace during school integration during the 50's and 60's. If we left this up to our wonderful politicians in Nashville, well, we would continue to have horses seriously injured or killed because of these show horse people in Winchester.

Fairmon, you know as well as I do that the majority of voters in TN would put Satan or Hitler in office if they ran as a Republican. And like you concurred, most voters don't give a sh!t about show horses, so if a candidate (that is in cahoots with that group from Winchester) says they are pro-God, pro-Gun, pro-Life, etc., voters may not care that they allow horses to be tortured for the pleasure of the a-holes that will do anything to have the horse have an extra high gait. The checks and balances are essentially null and void here in TN (or other states that have a super majority (Democrat or Republican)).

April 2, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

wallyworld said...

Cruelty to animals is a sad occurrence but not a federal government issue with federal tax expenses to legislate and enforce. No, the Federal Government has more pressing issues to spend our tax dollars on like looking in people's bedrooms to see about their sex life and standing between a woman and her doctor for decisions she makes about her health, letting her employer decide what she needs in the way of insurance coverage and trying to repeal a law for the 52nd time -- yes, money well spent.

You did name a few of the thousands of ways the federal government has created to waste tax money but that doesn't justify adding to that number. Could the fact that those responsible for being good stewards of the money are also authorized to spend it when they often empower others to spend it at their discretion? In any other business a lot of the spending would be called embezzlement.

April 2, 2014 at 6:06 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"something about how horses are trained"

Come on Fairmon, you are attempting to make it sound like they are making these horses run extra laps. They are putting acids and other burning agents on the legs of these horses. Some of these horses can no longer tolerate standing because of the pain. It's animal cruelty which is a crime in every state (except TN where these bastards are allowed to walk).

And who are you to order the "Priorities" for the US government?

April 2, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

GaussianInteger said...

Come on Fairmon, you are attempting to make it sound like they are making these horses run extra laps. They are putting acids and other burning agents on the legs of these horses.

I didn't suggest it was ok. It is already against the law and the guilty should be punished but it is not a federal issue.

GaussianInteger said...

And who are you to order the "Priorities" for the US government?

I don't need to. The founding fathers did that very well and delineated what authority the federal government had and said all others will be handled by the states. What am I missing in the document that has served this country well for over 200 years or 400 years if you listen to one member of congress.

I assume you are a vegetarian?

April 2, 2014 at 8:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ft Hood. Obama: "We need to find out exactly what happened." like in Benghazi? like that?

April 2, 2014 at 8:22 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Fairmon says 'it is not a federal issue.' Yes it is when it is against federal law.

April 2, 2014 at 9:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "BTW I didn't realize you were a horses expert although I had often viewed your comments as from the north end of one heading south."

That's funny. I went back and reread what I wrote and there's not one word about a horse anywhere in it.

I also find it quite humorous that you deny that one issue involving what you perceive to be a state rights issue is not comparable to one that divided this nation severely at one time in it's history.

Both slavery and state endorsed animal cruelty are indeed comparable, because they represent two wrongs that will never make a right. So...I'm quite perplexed at the content of your comment.

April 2, 2014 at 10:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ you sir, are mightily FOS.

April 2, 2014 at 10:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I didn't suggest it was ok. It is already against the law and the guilty should be punished but it is not a federal issue."

You know, I imagine that at one time, some fine folk in Mississippi felt the same way, when a white man could not be prosecuted in that state for murdering a black man.

If the Government had not intervened several times over there, that might still be going on.

You're entitled to feel anyway you so desire, but thankfully, your opinions as to what States should and should not be allowed to do, is a bit over your head.

So carry on. The world is being managed against your will.

April 2, 2014 at 11:01 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^^^ you sir, are mightily FOS."

That may be, but I can take a dump and make things all better.

Oh...and I pay my bills too.

No bankruptcy for me!!!

April 2, 2014 at 11:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is off his meds tonite. Making zero sense.

April 2, 2014 at 11:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova your comparison of mistreating of horses in training to human slavery is over the top. The federal government in MS, AL and other states enforced the constitution. Where in the constitution does the federal government have the authority to write and enforce animal cruelty laws? Are you also ready for a federal humane shelter for all abandoned or mistreated animals? Should there be another department in the federal government to regulate and enforce federal laws regarding animals? The new department could be called DOBH or department of bleeding hearts. Would you add a new tax to animal feed products, vets, and local shelters to pay for it?

April 3, 2014 at 2:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

As stated earlier. Enforce the law that is now on the books. Like many laws the fed enforces them selectively.

The showing, exhibition and sale of Tennessee Walking Horses and some other gaited breeds is governed by the Horse Protection Act of 1970 (HPA) due to concerns about the practice of soring, which developed during the 1950s and became widespread in the 1960s, resulting in a public outcry.Congress passed the Horse Protection Act in 1970, declaring the practice "cruel and inhumane". The Act prohibits anyone from entering a sored horse into a show, sale, auction or exhibition, and prohibits drivers from transporting sored horses to a sale or show. Congress delegated statutory responsibility for enforcement to the management of sales and horse shows, but placed administration of the act with the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). Violations of the HPA may result in criminal charges, fines and prison sentences. The USDA certifies certain Horse Industry Organizations (HIOs) to train and license Designated Qualified Persons (DQPs) to complete inspections. APHIS inspection teams, which include inspectors, investigators, and veterinary medical officers, also conduct unannounced inspections of some horse shows, and have the authority to revoke the license of a DQP who does not follow the standards of the Act.

What is Alexander doing other than campaigning?

April 3, 2014 at 3 a.m.
conservative said...

It is not a cease fire, they are just reloading.

April 3, 2014 at 9:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

alpo says "That may be, but I can take a dump and make things all better." charming

April 3, 2014 at 9:40 a.m.
ibshame said...

"fairmon said... As stated earlier. Enforce the law that is now on the books. Like many laws the fed enforces them selectively........

What is Alexander doing other than campaigning?"

He's got to make it look like he's doing something for Tennessee. LOL

April 3, 2014 at 11:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alexander a classic example of why term limits are needed. Has this man ever had a real job? (UT doesn't count)

April 3, 2014 at 11:38 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova your comparison of mistreating of horses in training to human slavery is over the top."

I'm sure you may see it that way, but we are all creatures of God.

Mistreating an animal is as horrendous as mistreating anothe human being. And again, two wrongs do not make a right.

"The federal government in MS, AL and other states enforced the constitution."

Really? The Thirteenth Amendment was implemented in 1865. Prior to that, it was perfectly legal to own and mistreat another human being.

What will it take to prohibit the mistreatment of animals? Another Constitutional Amendment and Federal Government intervention?

"Where in the constitution does the federal government have the authority to write and enforce animal cruelty laws?"

Sir, that very same argument could have been made prior to 1865 regarding slavery. Do you see why I made the comparison?

"Are you also ready for a federal humane shelter for all abandoned or mistreated animals?"

Why not? I'm sure God would approve of it.

"Should there be another department in the federal government to regulate and enforce federal laws regarding animals?"

If people continue to abuse them, and if states turn a blind eye to organized practices of abuse, you bet your ass I do.

"The new department could be called DOBH or department of bleeding hearts."

I guess it's safe to say that you simply hate animals. You probably kick dogs and kill cats too.

"Would you add a new tax to animal feed products, vets, and local shelters to pay for it?"

Nope. I would however raise the taxes on investment proceeds, just to piss you off.

April 3, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is asked "Should there be another department in the federal government to regulate and enforce federal laws regarding animals?"

Answers "If people continue to abuse them, and if states turn a blind eye to organized practices of abuse, you bet your ass I do" typical...let's get the gubmint involved. such a putz

April 3, 2014 at 12:24 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "typical...let's get the gubmint involved. such a putz"

It's too bad I don't have influence enough with the Government to shut down Internet Trolls like yourself.

'cause that's all you are.

A Tweetering Troll...

April 3, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ alpy obsesses about Twitter. He couldn't survive in the 140 character world. Waaay to much flatulence.

April 3, 2014 at 2:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I guess it's safe to say that you simply hate animals. You probably kick dogs and kill cats too.

Fact is I have a dog I rescued from certain death. He is not a breed, just a dog. The vet bill was a few hundred and I paid it without complaining or asking anyone to help. He is my buddy for sure. I don't kill any animals although I do not like cats.

fairmon ask.."Would you add a new tax to animal feed products, vets, and local shelters to pay for it?"

alprova said...Nope. I would however raise the taxes on investment proceeds, just to piss you off.

Thank goodness you aren't in charge there would be few people willing to invest and put their capital at risk which is the way companies are born.

I think anyone owning an animal should pay an annual fee/tax adequate to support the enforcement of regulations. Require the animal have the license displayed at all times. Anyone owning a walking horse should pay upon registering it and annually there- after to fund the regulators/inspectors.

States turn a blind eye if the people in the state are not concerned. Other than those items assigned to the federal government by the constitution that is the way it is although there may be some things the states allow that some consider as not good. More people don't know what their local and state representatives are doing than fail to know what is happening with the federal government. Try taking a random survey and ask people who their state rep is. Also ask them to name three members of the senate or who the VP is. You may be shocked by the results.

Liberal are leaches conservatives are con artist.

April 3, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Fact is I have a dog I rescued from certain death. He is not a breed, just a dog. The vet bill was a few hundred and I paid it without complaining or asking anyone to help. He is my buddy for sure. I don't kill any animals although I do not like cats."

Then I fail to understand why it is that you find it unnecessary to intervene, given that the State of Tennessee is doing nothing to stop torturing horses for the sake of showmanship.

fairmon ask.."Would you add a new tax to animal feed products, vets, and local shelters to pay for it?"

"Thank goodness you aren't in charge there would be few people willing to invest and put their capital at risk which is the way companies are born."

Thank goodness you aren't in charge of the Government as well.

"I think anyone owning an animal should pay an annual fee/tax adequate to support the enforcement of regulations. Require the animal have the license displayed at all times. Anyone owning a walking horse should pay upon registering it and annually there- after to fund the regulators/inspectors."

Careful. All that requires taxpayer funds and would probably require a new governmental department to handle the additional workload.

"States turn a blind eye if the people in the state are not concerned."

Out of sight, out of mind. If the issue were more widely advertised, the issue would move to the frint burner.

"Other than those items assigned to the federal government by the constitution that is the way it is although there may be some things the states allow that some consider as not good."

I see, so you DO feel that it was wrong for the Government to address human slavery. After all, the Constitution, prior to 1865 had nary a word about that issue.

Or could it be that the Constitution IS INDEED an evolving document, for various reasons?

"Liberal are leaches conservatives are con artist."

What a profundly stupid comment, and not your usual style.

April 3, 2014 at 5:45 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^ alpy obsesses about Twitter."

Nope. Just wondering why you think that this forum should be anything like Twitter.

"He couldn't survive in the 140 character world."

Clearly, I don't have to.

"Waaay to much flatulence."

Maybe you should stick a cork in that puppy. Then you won't have to smell your foul emissions.

April 3, 2014 at 5:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^. Never suggested any such twitter style.

April 3, 2014 at 5:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I see, so you DO feel that it was wrong for the Government to address human slavery. After all, the Constitution, prior to 1865 had nary a word about that issue.

What a dumb question that is. The constitution and it's amendments are the principles the country has done well with. There is a process for amending but many want to ignore that and just do their thing. If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there.

I don't condone cruelty to animals but do not consider animals the same as humans with rights to life liberty and pursuit of happiness and constitutional protections provided.

April 3, 2014 at 8:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wropte: "What a dumb question that is."

It's absolutely no more dumb than your assertion that the Government should butt out of issues of an isolated nature or contained to one or a couple of States.

"The constitution and it's amendments are the principles the country has done well with. There is a process for amending but many want to ignore that and just do their thing."

Not to belabor a point, but I do recall reading that same argument in regard to slavery. "Ain't no Government or some Yankee President gonna tall us we can't own slaves."

"If you don't know where you are going any road will get you there."

"Ain't no Government or Yankee President gonna tell me I can't sore my horse. I didn't spend a couple of hundred thousand bucks to not see that thing raise it's legs when it walks."

"I don't condone cruelty to animals but do not consider animals the same as humans with rights to life liberty and pursuit of happiness and constitutional protections provided."

Well, the way I see it, you're going to have to one day make that justification in front of God, for I believe he DOES consider all creatures created to be considered the same.

What's more, I doubt God will give a damn about that document called the U.S. Constitution.

April 3, 2014 at 8:36 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^^. Never suggested any such twitter style."

Oh Bullsh!t. You've whined for two years about the length of my posts at times, with your inflammatory commentary, which I should have ignored two years ago.

You're a troll, and your game is to stir up sh!t all day long. You're a miserable excuse for a human being, broke, with no life, so your goal is to make as many people as miserable as you are.

You can't help yourself.

This forum and Twitter is your entire life.

It's easy to see the truth in all I state because you spend 16 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, split between this forum and Twitter.

Go ahead and play your silly games. I know you better than you know yourself. You're a flippin' moron, twitterdumdum.

April 3, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ I'm flattered to be your obsession numb nuts.

April 3, 2014 at 10:29 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Who is Jonathan Pollard?

April 3, 2014 at 11:18 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^^^ I'm flattered to be your obsession numb nuts."

You're flattered by any attention you receive. That's the Imternet troll mantra.

The funny thing is, that your obsessive posts toward others are nothing short of creepy.

You're a creep.

April 4, 2014 at 2:33 a.m.
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